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October 9, 2007 at 10:40 PM #10549October 9, 2007 at 10:57 PM #87700hipmattParticipant
This bill doesn’t attempt to prevent foreclosures, keep home prices high, or even keep people in their homes. Instead it almost encourages people to throw in the keys to their home.. hey you won’t even have to pay the taxes like you thought, might as well just walk away.
Since most lenders aren’t renegotiating loans, can we assume that this is a win for the RE bears?
October 9, 2007 at 10:57 PM #87705hipmattParticipantThis bill doesn’t attempt to prevent foreclosures, keep home prices high, or even keep people in their homes. Instead it almost encourages people to throw in the keys to their home.. hey you won’t even have to pay the taxes like you thought, might as well just walk away.
Since most lenders aren’t renegotiating loans, can we assume that this is a win for the RE bears?
October 9, 2007 at 11:09 PM #87702DesertedParticipantThe only effect I can see from passage of this bill will be an acceleration of the downward spiral of real estate values in bubble markets such as San Diego.
Although this measure really only corrects an unreasonable tax provision, it is still typical of governmental interference in an existing market: it will have the opposite of the desired effect.
October 9, 2007 at 11:09 PM #87707DesertedParticipantThe only effect I can see from passage of this bill will be an acceleration of the downward spiral of real estate values in bubble markets such as San Diego.
Although this measure really only corrects an unreasonable tax provision, it is still typical of governmental interference in an existing market: it will have the opposite of the desired effect.
October 10, 2007 at 12:09 AM #87704temeculaguyParticipantI always thought the tax on a short sale was stupid, they didn’t net anything and most are in no position to pay at that point, I’m sure someone will point out an example but I can’t think of another scenario where you lose and you get taxed to boot. If I lose on stocks or blackjack for that matter, I don’t get taxed, I’m only taxed if I win. I wouldn’t worry about this causing people to walk away, that wasn’t always taxed and sometimes is not forgiven, depends on the loan, it was the person who worked with the bank and sold for less than the debt but maintained the property while listed that got taxed, often the “short” price would be equal to or greater than what it would end up going for as a brown lawn repo. This does quicken the decline if the banks allow the shorts, which isn’t guaranteed. Instead of waiting a year for the repos to supress the market, the shorts will do it next week.
The PMI part changes nothing, the 80/20 or 80/10 had found the loophole, this just eliminates the previous rule that neccesitated the work around, instead of eliminating the loophole, the eliminated the need for it.
I’m with contrarian on this one, this doesn’t save anyone and may accelerate the price drop. I’m for this one as I understand it, the tax didn’t make sense in the first place.
October 10, 2007 at 12:09 AM #87709temeculaguyParticipantI always thought the tax on a short sale was stupid, they didn’t net anything and most are in no position to pay at that point, I’m sure someone will point out an example but I can’t think of another scenario where you lose and you get taxed to boot. If I lose on stocks or blackjack for that matter, I don’t get taxed, I’m only taxed if I win. I wouldn’t worry about this causing people to walk away, that wasn’t always taxed and sometimes is not forgiven, depends on the loan, it was the person who worked with the bank and sold for less than the debt but maintained the property while listed that got taxed, often the “short” price would be equal to or greater than what it would end up going for as a brown lawn repo. This does quicken the decline if the banks allow the shorts, which isn’t guaranteed. Instead of waiting a year for the repos to supress the market, the shorts will do it next week.
The PMI part changes nothing, the 80/20 or 80/10 had found the loophole, this just eliminates the previous rule that neccesitated the work around, instead of eliminating the loophole, the eliminated the need for it.
I’m with contrarian on this one, this doesn’t save anyone and may accelerate the price drop. I’m for this one as I understand it, the tax didn’t make sense in the first place.
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