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[FlyerInHi]

[quote=bearishgurl]
I’ve done all I could, and, except for paying the campus room/board bill, my kid’s diet is not my problem anymore. They either learned from my (boring) example of maybe 5-6 dishes I know how to make well … or they didn’t.
Every adult has to find their own food path … what works for them.[/quote]

For sure… At least you did your job.

My dad at age 82 also saw the light after attending all his best friends’ funerals. They are all gone now. He was never fat and good genes helped otherwise he would not be here today. If he keeps is up (still drives and go works out at the gym) I don’t see why he wouldn’t live independently to 100.

As for “boring” food, whenever I have people over, I order from the local restaurant. Then I give all the leftovers to the guests as they depart.

Eating healthy is so uncool and antisocial that it’s a deep dark secret I only share online.

[FlyerInHi]

[quote=CA renter] Eating 1,000 calories/day and working out for 2+ hours/day isn’t something that most people can do for the long haul.[/quote]

Losing weight is a different story that gaining weight.

ketosis, the process of burning stored fat is painful and causes irritability, depression, loss of concentration, etc. — things that not conducive to work and family life.

That’s why most people don’t lose weight over and above water loss. They feel all excited, but that excitement soon turns to disappointment. Then they resume slow inexorable weight gain.

They key is to not to gain weight in the first place. Assuming you’re at ideal weight at age 18 or 20, 1 pound per year makes you overweight in 20 years. 2 pounds per year makes you obese.

[quote=CA renter] As for why people were generally thinner in the past, I think a huge part of it is the fact that people did physical work all day, and the fact that people ate “clean” foods (no pesticides, herbicides, chemical foods, etc.). But to say that they didn’t eat meat is totally wrong; they tended to eat a lot of meat (and lots of eggs!) back then, especially those who lived on farms, but working in the fields all day will burn those calories fast.[/quote]

If we live differently than in the past, should we also not eat differently?

People in the past did not have the knowledge or the medical technology we have now. That’s why they didn’t live longer.

[bearishgurl]

[quote=FlyerInHi][quote=bearishgurl]
I’ve done all I could, and, except for paying the campus room/board bill, my kid’s diet is not my problem anymore. They either learned from my (boring) example of maybe 5-6 dishes I know how to make well … or they didn’t.
Every adult has to find their own food path … what works for them.[/quote]

For sure… At least you did your job.

My dad at age 82 also saw the light after attending all his best friends’ funerals. They are all gone now. He was never fat and good genes helped otherwise he would not be here today. If he keeps is up (still drives and go works out at the gym) I don’t see why he wouldn’t live independently to 100.

As for “boring” food, whenever I have people over, I order from the local restaurant. Then I give all the leftovers to the guests as they depart.

Eating healthy is so uncool and antisocial that it’s a deep dark secret I only share online.[/quote]

Ha! If I cook a holiday dinner and have people over, 90% of the turkey, trimmings and dessert goes home with my guests. I keep certain parts of the turkey for my cat and shred some white meat for salads.

My family wasn’t as lucky as yours with the gene pool we were dealt (hereditary cancer, heart disease and heart defects and both type I and II diabetes) so I have been pretty vigilant with my diet from a young age (after “retiring” from amateur athletics). I don’t give a rat’s a$$ what people think of my bowl of steel-cut or old-fashioned oats every morning. Discussion of one’s macrobiotic diet might be “taboo” in some social circles but anyone who wants to discuss the reasons why I so firmly believe in it can just pull up their elephant in my driveway and I’ll break out the folding chairs 🙂

[bearishgurl]

[quote=FlyerInHi]… They key is to not to gain weight in the first place. Assuming you’re at ideal weight at age 18 or 20, 1 pound per year makes you overweight in 20 years. 2 pounds per year makes you obese. …[/quote]

Absolutely, that is the key.

And it is hard for a lot of women to get back to their pre-pregnancy weight, ESPecially if they are over 35 at the time of delivery, become pregnant again within months of delivering or MUST return to a FT sedentary job within weeks of giving birth. Or a combination thereof. The trick is to not gain too much in the first place. This was my downfall a couple of times. It took me a l-o-o-o-ng time to get all the way back to my former weight with my last kid, when I was the oldest mom on the ward at the (fairly new at the time) Sharp “Mary Birch” Hospital for Women in the age of “drive-thru deliveries.” (I was in there just short of 15 hours where most of the new moms were discharged in 12-16 hrs … as soon as their paperwork was ready). Since I spent any “spare minute” I had that day on the (landline) phone in my room when not filling out paperwork, I didn’t even have a chance to have a glass of water, let alone any food :=0

[scaredyclassic]

Forget health.

I have a 50 lb weightvest. Sometimes I strap it on and go for a hilly hike. Just for the fuck of it. It’s very tiring. Swesty. Really dripping sweaty. Exhausting.

I crash on the floor after 3 or 4 miles and it takes 3 gin and tonics to revive me.

I feel so awesome when I just rip off that vest. Light as a fairy sprite. http://Www.weightvest.com

I can imagine it would feel equally awesome to dump 50 lbs.

Screw health. Just feel so light and floaty without the extra 50.

[CA renter]

[quote=FlyerInHi][quote=CA renter] Eating 1,000 calories/day and working out for 2+ hours/day isn’t something that most people can do for the long haul.[/quote]

Losing weight is a different story that gaining weight.

ketosis, the process of burning stored fat is painful and causes irritability, depression, loss of concentration, etc. — things that not conducive to work and family life.

That’s why most people don’t lose weight over and above water loss. They feel all excited, but that excitement soon turns to disappointment. Then they resume slow inexorable weight gain.

They key is to not to gain weight in the first place. Assuming you’re at ideal weight at age 18 or 20, 1 pound per year makes you overweight in 20 years. 2 pounds per year makes you obese.

[quote=CA renter] As for why people were generally thinner in the past, I think a huge part of it is the fact that people did physical work all day, and the fact that people ate “clean” foods (no pesticides, herbicides, chemical foods, etc.). But to say that they didn’t eat meat is totally wrong; they tended to eat a lot of meat (and lots of eggs!) back then, especially those who lived on farms, but working in the fields all day will burn those calories fast.[/quote]

If we live differently than in the past, should we also not eat differently?

People in the past did not have the knowledge or the medical technology we have now. That’s why they didn’t live longer.[/quote]

Some people are born overweight — and not having anything to do with the mother’s diet during pregnancy. Many people have never been “normal” weight in their entire lives.

As for eating differently now that we are more sedentary? I agree, but the food corporations are making more and more chemical-laden foods that are “quickly and easily prepared” for all those drones who come home after 10 hours at work. It’s not an easy transition.

[scaredyclassic]

Too much work.
Not enough play.

[CA renter]

Too true, scaredy.

[SK in CV]

[quote=CA renter]
As for eating differently now that we are more sedentary? I agree, but the food corporations are making more and more chemical-laden foods that are “quickly and easily prepared” for all those drones who come home after 10 hours at work. It’s not an easy transition.[/quote]

You do realize that every single bite of food you have ever eaten is made up of chemicals, right?

There has been no change in the % of chemicals in human diets. Ever.

[FlyerInHi]

[quote=CA renter] Some people are born overweight — and not having anything to do with the mother’s diet during pregnancy. Many people have never been “normal” weight in their entire lives.
[/quote]

Nobody is born into a fat adult.
There’s a 20 years process to grow up into adulthood, then there’s another 20 years to get to middle age.

Without the input of calories, it’s not possible to become fat.

[quote=CA renter]
As for eating differently now that we are more sedentary? I agree, but the food corporations are making more and more chemical-laden foods that are “quickly and easily prepared” for all those drones who come home after 10 hours at work. It’s not an easy transition.[/quote]

Not easy because we are too hung up on food a pleasure center. The “pleasure” we get from food is just a survival mechanism that rewards seeking out food.

I don’t blame the food companies as much as policy makers and consumers for the food we have.

Food companies have to sell what people will buy. If I recall, Campbell soup tested lowering salt in some soups. Sales dropped precipitously because people didn’t like the taste. I think of their products as death in a can.

Read restaurant reviews and you’ll see that people don’t care about health, but they want rich/fatty, salty, sugary foods (all 3 tastes together) in big portions. They also want good service that pamper them for a short time. Successful restaurants such as BJ’s, Yardhouse, Cheesecake Factory.. all serve that kind of unhealthy food.

Anyway, who cares what the culture is. We Piggintons are superior thinkers. We act rationally on information.

If there was some magic way to automatically log everything that people eat, they’d be surprised at the calorie inputs.

For people who don’t care to live a long time; if they are ok to check out early, in exchange for enjoying food the way they like it, then all the more power to them. it’s just unfortunate that we have to subsidize the expensive medical care they use trying to hang on to dear life.

[FlyerInHi]

[quote=scaredyclassic]Too much work.
Not enough play.[/quote]

does video games while drinking soda count as play?

I think that kids would rather hang out at the mall and play video games than do physical work outside.

Some social scientists have surmised that central air conditioning everywhere has made people intolerant of breaking a sweat. If that’s all people know from birth, they will seek indoor climate controlled comfort which, absent food intake adjustment, will result in fat adults.

[Anonymous]

[quote=SK in CV]You do realize that every single bite of food you have ever eaten is made up of chemicals, right?[/quote]

Food companies put all sorts of chemicals in our food.

Have you heard about Dihydrogen Monoxide?

http://www.dhmo.org/facts.html

Scary stuff

[CA renter]

[quote=SK in CV][quote=CA renter]
As for eating differently now that we are more sedentary? I agree, but the food corporations are making more and more chemical-laden foods that are “quickly and easily prepared” for all those drones who come home after 10 hours at work. It’s not an easy transition.[/quote]

You do realize that every single bite of food you have ever eaten is made up of chemicals, right?

There has been no change in the % of chemicals in human diets. Ever.[/quote]

There are natural foods that don’t have added chemicals…chemicals that were never intended by nature to be eaten. Just look at most labels in the supermarket and tell me that people were eating that crap 100+ years ago.

[CA renter]

[quote=FlyerInHi][quote=CA renter] Some people are born overweight — and not having anything to do with the mother’s diet during pregnancy. Many people have never been “normal” weight in their entire lives.
[/quote]

Nobody is born into a fat adult.
There’s a 20 years process to grow up into adulthood, then there’s another 20 years to get to middle age.

Without the input of calories, it’s not possible to become fat.

[/quote]

You’re wrong. Many people are born fat…they’ve never been “normal” weight, not even for a single day in their lives. My sister was over 11 pounds when she was born. My (very vain) mother had her on diets her whole life. She was never in the “normal” weight range, even as a baby, with all of these diets. As a young adult, she took massive amounts of pills (speed) and starved herself an an attempt to lose weight. While she lost some weight, she still never got to a “normal” weight. She grew up depressed, largely because of her weight, and ended up committing suicide when she was 24 years old.

So, yeah, I have pretty strong feelings about this. I get pissed when petty, vain, ignorant people (who almost always were blessed with a faster metabolism) try to shame those who are overweight.

[njtosd]

[quote=FlyerInHi][quote=CA renter]
Nobody is born into a fat adult.
There’s a 20 years process to grow up into adulthood, then there’s another 20 years to get to middle age.

[/quote]

Brian, you keep spouting opinions and self congratulatory remarks, but provide no data. Your point about how people are born brought to mind this study of children conceived in the Netherlands during the WWII blockade (1944-45).

http://www.hongerwinter.nl/item.php?id=32&language=EN

Children conceived during famine had much higher rates of all kinds of things, including obesity. Maybe all of these women on diets are doing their offspring a disservice . . .

People like you and joec want to believe that there are simple answers (i.e. people have problems because they are weak). I agree that self control is an issue, but I do not believe that it is the only issue.

I am happy that there are well educated, creative people out there who have open minds who will help the world find answers to its problems. You are welcome to ignore them if you like.

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