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February 11, 2011 at 11:42 AM #665994February 11, 2011 at 11:59 AM #664866
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Guest[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]Second, American law is based on English Common Law, which traces its systemization to Henry II and the codification he instituted regarding trial by jury, property ownership, use of a grand jury, etc. Given that this was the 12th century, the Mother Church was omnipresent, and thus provides the background and context to many of the laws, which remain in force to this day.[/quote]
Right, I get that.
But how is this Judeo-Christian?
Seems to me, many of these ideas would perhaps be better labeled “European” than Christian. (Many of of our legal principles come from the Enlightenment, which was a mildly “anti-church” phenomenon.) Keep going back and we find ideas that originated with the Romans and Greeks, who were neither Jews nor Christians.
The claim that are country is based on Judeo-Christian values does imply that these values are somehow different than other religious values (otherwise, why bring religion into it at all?)
You are correct that the roots of our law are in Christian organizations (i.e. “The Church”), but there are few distinct aspects of our law that can be attributed specifically to Christian values.
EDIT: Just saw Arraya’s post. He’s right. We shouldn’t forget the Ottomans either…
February 11, 2011 at 11:59 AM #664927Guest[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]Second, American law is based on English Common Law, which traces its systemization to Henry II and the codification he instituted regarding trial by jury, property ownership, use of a grand jury, etc. Given that this was the 12th century, the Mother Church was omnipresent, and thus provides the background and context to many of the laws, which remain in force to this day.[/quote]
Right, I get that.
But how is this Judeo-Christian?
Seems to me, many of these ideas would perhaps be better labeled “European” than Christian. (Many of of our legal principles come from the Enlightenment, which was a mildly “anti-church” phenomenon.) Keep going back and we find ideas that originated with the Romans and Greeks, who were neither Jews nor Christians.
The claim that are country is based on Judeo-Christian values does imply that these values are somehow different than other religious values (otherwise, why bring religion into it at all?)
You are correct that the roots of our law are in Christian organizations (i.e. “The Church”), but there are few distinct aspects of our law that can be attributed specifically to Christian values.
EDIT: Just saw Arraya’s post. He’s right. We shouldn’t forget the Ottomans either…
February 11, 2011 at 11:59 AM #665529Guest[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]Second, American law is based on English Common Law, which traces its systemization to Henry II and the codification he instituted regarding trial by jury, property ownership, use of a grand jury, etc. Given that this was the 12th century, the Mother Church was omnipresent, and thus provides the background and context to many of the laws, which remain in force to this day.[/quote]
Right, I get that.
But how is this Judeo-Christian?
Seems to me, many of these ideas would perhaps be better labeled “European” than Christian. (Many of of our legal principles come from the Enlightenment, which was a mildly “anti-church” phenomenon.) Keep going back and we find ideas that originated with the Romans and Greeks, who were neither Jews nor Christians.
The claim that are country is based on Judeo-Christian values does imply that these values are somehow different than other religious values (otherwise, why bring religion into it at all?)
You are correct that the roots of our law are in Christian organizations (i.e. “The Church”), but there are few distinct aspects of our law that can be attributed specifically to Christian values.
EDIT: Just saw Arraya’s post. He’s right. We shouldn’t forget the Ottomans either…
February 11, 2011 at 11:59 AM #665664Guest[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]Second, American law is based on English Common Law, which traces its systemization to Henry II and the codification he instituted regarding trial by jury, property ownership, use of a grand jury, etc. Given that this was the 12th century, the Mother Church was omnipresent, and thus provides the background and context to many of the laws, which remain in force to this day.[/quote]
Right, I get that.
But how is this Judeo-Christian?
Seems to me, many of these ideas would perhaps be better labeled “European” than Christian. (Many of of our legal principles come from the Enlightenment, which was a mildly “anti-church” phenomenon.) Keep going back and we find ideas that originated with the Romans and Greeks, who were neither Jews nor Christians.
The claim that are country is based on Judeo-Christian values does imply that these values are somehow different than other religious values (otherwise, why bring religion into it at all?)
You are correct that the roots of our law are in Christian organizations (i.e. “The Church”), but there are few distinct aspects of our law that can be attributed specifically to Christian values.
EDIT: Just saw Arraya’s post. He’s right. We shouldn’t forget the Ottomans either…
February 11, 2011 at 11:59 AM #666001Guest[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]Second, American law is based on English Common Law, which traces its systemization to Henry II and the codification he instituted regarding trial by jury, property ownership, use of a grand jury, etc. Given that this was the 12th century, the Mother Church was omnipresent, and thus provides the background and context to many of the laws, which remain in force to this day.[/quote]
Right, I get that.
But how is this Judeo-Christian?
Seems to me, many of these ideas would perhaps be better labeled “European” than Christian. (Many of of our legal principles come from the Enlightenment, which was a mildly “anti-church” phenomenon.) Keep going back and we find ideas that originated with the Romans and Greeks, who were neither Jews nor Christians.
The claim that are country is based on Judeo-Christian values does imply that these values are somehow different than other religious values (otherwise, why bring religion into it at all?)
You are correct that the roots of our law are in Christian organizations (i.e. “The Church”), but there are few distinct aspects of our law that can be attributed specifically to Christian values.
EDIT: Just saw Arraya’s post. He’s right. We shouldn’t forget the Ottomans either…
February 11, 2011 at 12:14 PM #664876NotCranky
Participant[quote=Djshakes][quote=Rustico]Ever heard of the word “chattel”,Djshakes?
http://www.religioustolerance.org/fem_bibl.htm%5B/quote%5DAre you honestly going to sit and tell me Muslim women have more rights than Christian woman?
By you pointing out a couple bible versus as your source is like arguing a Yugo is better than a Mercedes because the license plate bulb lasts longer.[/quote]
The other posters have managed to get this thread to a higher level. I hope you will join them.February 11, 2011 at 12:14 PM #664937Participant[quote=Djshakes][quote=Rustico]Ever heard of the word “chattel”,Djshakes?
http://www.religioustolerance.org/fem_bibl.htm%5B/quote%5DAre you honestly going to sit and tell me Muslim women have more rights than Christian woman?
By you pointing out a couple bible versus as your source is like arguing a Yugo is better than a Mercedes because the license plate bulb lasts longer.[/quote]
The other posters have managed to get this thread to a higher level. I hope you will join them.February 11, 2011 at 12:14 PM #665539Participant[quote=Djshakes][quote=Rustico]Ever heard of the word “chattel”,Djshakes?
http://www.religioustolerance.org/fem_bibl.htm%5B/quote%5DAre you honestly going to sit and tell me Muslim women have more rights than Christian woman?
By you pointing out a couple bible versus as your source is like arguing a Yugo is better than a Mercedes because the license plate bulb lasts longer.[/quote]
The other posters have managed to get this thread to a higher level. I hope you will join them.February 11, 2011 at 12:14 PM #665674Participant[quote=Djshakes][quote=Rustico]Ever heard of the word “chattel”,Djshakes?
http://www.religioustolerance.org/fem_bibl.htm%5B/quote%5DAre you honestly going to sit and tell me Muslim women have more rights than Christian woman?
By you pointing out a couple bible versus as your source is like arguing a Yugo is better than a Mercedes because the license plate bulb lasts longer.[/quote]
The other posters have managed to get this thread to a higher level. I hope you will join them.February 11, 2011 at 12:14 PM #666011Participant[quote=Djshakes][quote=Rustico]Ever heard of the word “chattel”,Djshakes?
http://www.religioustolerance.org/fem_bibl.htm%5B/quote%5DAre you honestly going to sit and tell me Muslim women have more rights than Christian woman?
By you pointing out a couple bible versus as your source is like arguing a Yugo is better than a Mercedes because the license plate bulb lasts longer.[/quote]
The other posters have managed to get this thread to a higher level. I hope you will join them.February 11, 2011 at 12:17 PM #664881Djshakes
Participant[quote=Rustico][quote=Djshakes][quote=Rustico]Ever heard of the word “chattel”,Djshakes?
http://www.religioustolerance.org/fem_bibl.htm%5B/quote%5DAre you honestly going to sit and tell me Muslim women have more rights than Christian woman?
By you pointing out a couple bible versus as your source is like arguing a Yugo is better than a Mercedes because the license plate bulb lasts longer.[/quote]
The other posters have managed to get this thread to a higher level. I hope you will join them.[/quote]
Please do explain what your point was then by posting your link?February 11, 2011 at 12:17 PM #664942Participant[quote=Rustico][quote=Djshakes][quote=Rustico]Ever heard of the word “chattel”,Djshakes?
http://www.religioustolerance.org/fem_bibl.htm%5B/quote%5DAre you honestly going to sit and tell me Muslim women have more rights than Christian woman?
By you pointing out a couple bible versus as your source is like arguing a Yugo is better than a Mercedes because the license plate bulb lasts longer.[/quote]
The other posters have managed to get this thread to a higher level. I hope you will join them.[/quote]
Please do explain what your point was then by posting your link?February 11, 2011 at 12:17 PM #665544Participant[quote=Rustico][quote=Djshakes][quote=Rustico]Ever heard of the word “chattel”,Djshakes?
http://www.religioustolerance.org/fem_bibl.htm%5B/quote%5DAre you honestly going to sit and tell me Muslim women have more rights than Christian woman?
By you pointing out a couple bible versus as your source is like arguing a Yugo is better than a Mercedes because the license plate bulb lasts longer.[/quote]
The other posters have managed to get this thread to a higher level. I hope you will join them.[/quote]
Please do explain what your point was then by posting your link?February 11, 2011 at 12:17 PM #665679Participant[quote=Rustico][quote=Djshakes][quote=Rustico]Ever heard of the word “chattel”,Djshakes?
http://www.religioustolerance.org/fem_bibl.htm%5B/quote%5DAre you honestly going to sit and tell me Muslim women have more rights than Christian woman?
By you pointing out a couple bible versus as your source is like arguing a Yugo is better than a Mercedes because the license plate bulb lasts longer.[/quote]
The other posters have managed to get this thread to a higher level. I hope you will join them.[/quote]
Please do explain what your point was then by posting your link? -
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