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November 24, 2008 at 10:09 AM #308693November 24, 2008 at 10:20 AM #308327crParticipant
I don’t buy the too big to fail scare tactic, and it sickens me our “leaders” buy right into it. First it was Bear, then Frannie, then $700 Billion, which apparently did jack squat.
On the consumer side the worst thing is people have to pay cash for things they buy, or pay off their existing credit card balances like responsible members of society – oh the horror!
The business side is a little more serious if they can’t purchase inventory or people don’t receive their paychecks. I’d rather lend money to these businesses than failed ones. And if the banks fail the gov’t should guarantee those laid-off get what they’re owed and can get enough unemployment to survive until they find a job.
All they continue to do is incentivize big, slow, pooly run businesses to get so big, so slow, and so poorly managed that they fail.
Warren Buffet suggested the top execs at these companies should have to pony up some of their own assets to receive tax payer money. I think that’s a great idea. If you’re making over a $1MM a year running a company into the ground and getting my money for help, you need to put your own ass on the line.
November 24, 2008 at 10:20 AM #308799crParticipantI don’t buy the too big to fail scare tactic, and it sickens me our “leaders” buy right into it. First it was Bear, then Frannie, then $700 Billion, which apparently did jack squat.
On the consumer side the worst thing is people have to pay cash for things they buy, or pay off their existing credit card balances like responsible members of society – oh the horror!
The business side is a little more serious if they can’t purchase inventory or people don’t receive their paychecks. I’d rather lend money to these businesses than failed ones. And if the banks fail the gov’t should guarantee those laid-off get what they’re owed and can get enough unemployment to survive until they find a job.
All they continue to do is incentivize big, slow, pooly run businesses to get so big, so slow, and so poorly managed that they fail.
Warren Buffet suggested the top execs at these companies should have to pony up some of their own assets to receive tax payer money. I think that’s a great idea. If you’re making over a $1MM a year running a company into the ground and getting my money for help, you need to put your own ass on the line.
November 24, 2008 at 10:20 AM #308735crParticipantI don’t buy the too big to fail scare tactic, and it sickens me our “leaders” buy right into it. First it was Bear, then Frannie, then $700 Billion, which apparently did jack squat.
On the consumer side the worst thing is people have to pay cash for things they buy, or pay off their existing credit card balances like responsible members of society – oh the horror!
The business side is a little more serious if they can’t purchase inventory or people don’t receive their paychecks. I’d rather lend money to these businesses than failed ones. And if the banks fail the gov’t should guarantee those laid-off get what they’re owed and can get enough unemployment to survive until they find a job.
All they continue to do is incentivize big, slow, pooly run businesses to get so big, so slow, and so poorly managed that they fail.
Warren Buffet suggested the top execs at these companies should have to pony up some of their own assets to receive tax payer money. I think that’s a great idea. If you’re making over a $1MM a year running a company into the ground and getting my money for help, you need to put your own ass on the line.
November 24, 2008 at 10:20 AM #308716crParticipantI don’t buy the too big to fail scare tactic, and it sickens me our “leaders” buy right into it. First it was Bear, then Frannie, then $700 Billion, which apparently did jack squat.
On the consumer side the worst thing is people have to pay cash for things they buy, or pay off their existing credit card balances like responsible members of society – oh the horror!
The business side is a little more serious if they can’t purchase inventory or people don’t receive their paychecks. I’d rather lend money to these businesses than failed ones. And if the banks fail the gov’t should guarantee those laid-off get what they’re owed and can get enough unemployment to survive until they find a job.
All they continue to do is incentivize big, slow, pooly run businesses to get so big, so slow, and so poorly managed that they fail.
Warren Buffet suggested the top execs at these companies should have to pony up some of their own assets to receive tax payer money. I think that’s a great idea. If you’re making over a $1MM a year running a company into the ground and getting my money for help, you need to put your own ass on the line.
November 24, 2008 at 10:20 AM #308698crParticipantI don’t buy the too big to fail scare tactic, and it sickens me our “leaders” buy right into it. First it was Bear, then Frannie, then $700 Billion, which apparently did jack squat.
On the consumer side the worst thing is people have to pay cash for things they buy, or pay off their existing credit card balances like responsible members of society – oh the horror!
The business side is a little more serious if they can’t purchase inventory or people don’t receive their paychecks. I’d rather lend money to these businesses than failed ones. And if the banks fail the gov’t should guarantee those laid-off get what they’re owed and can get enough unemployment to survive until they find a job.
All they continue to do is incentivize big, slow, pooly run businesses to get so big, so slow, and so poorly managed that they fail.
Warren Buffet suggested the top execs at these companies should have to pony up some of their own assets to receive tax payer money. I think that’s a great idea. If you’re making over a $1MM a year running a company into the ground and getting my money for help, you need to put your own ass on the line.
November 24, 2008 at 10:26 AM #308726ibjamesParticipant[quote=cooprider]If you’re making over a $1MM a year running a company into the ground and getting my money for help, you need to put your own ass on the line.[/quote]
That would make sense.. but c’mon.. it’s the gubmint we talkin’ bout
OCScam – wow
November 24, 2008 at 10:26 AM #308809ibjamesParticipant[quote=cooprider]If you’re making over a $1MM a year running a company into the ground and getting my money for help, you need to put your own ass on the line.[/quote]
That would make sense.. but c’mon.. it’s the gubmint we talkin’ bout
OCScam – wow
November 24, 2008 at 10:26 AM #308708ibjamesParticipant[quote=cooprider]If you’re making over a $1MM a year running a company into the ground and getting my money for help, you need to put your own ass on the line.[/quote]
That would make sense.. but c’mon.. it’s the gubmint we talkin’ bout
OCScam – wow
November 24, 2008 at 10:26 AM #308745ibjamesParticipant[quote=cooprider]If you’re making over a $1MM a year running a company into the ground and getting my money for help, you need to put your own ass on the line.[/quote]
That would make sense.. but c’mon.. it’s the gubmint we talkin’ bout
OCScam – wow
November 24, 2008 at 10:26 AM #308337ibjamesParticipant[quote=cooprider]If you’re making over a $1MM a year running a company into the ground and getting my money for help, you need to put your own ass on the line.[/quote]
That would make sense.. but c’mon.. it’s the gubmint we talkin’ bout
OCScam – wow
November 24, 2008 at 10:48 AM #308819ArrayaParticipanthttp://jameshowardkunstler.typepad.com/clusterfuck_nation/2008/11/zombie-economics.html#comments
Though Citicorp is deemed too big to fail, it’s hardly reassuring to know that it’s been allowed to sink its fangs into the Mother Zombie that the US Treasury has become and sucked out a multi-billion dollar dose of embalming fluid so it can go on pretending to be a bank for a while longer. I employ this somewhat clunky metaphor to point out that the US Government is no more solvent than the financial zombies it is keeping on walking-dead support. And so this serial mummery of weekend bailout schemes is as much of a fraud and a swindle as the algorithm-derived-securities shenanigans that induced the disease of bank zombification in the first place. The main question it raises is whether, eventually, the creation of evermore zombified US dollars will exceed the amount of previously-created US dollars now vanishing into oblivion through compressive debt deflation.
November 24, 2008 at 10:48 AM #308755ArrayaParticipanthttp://jameshowardkunstler.typepad.com/clusterfuck_nation/2008/11/zombie-economics.html#comments
Though Citicorp is deemed too big to fail, it’s hardly reassuring to know that it’s been allowed to sink its fangs into the Mother Zombie that the US Treasury has become and sucked out a multi-billion dollar dose of embalming fluid so it can go on pretending to be a bank for a while longer. I employ this somewhat clunky metaphor to point out that the US Government is no more solvent than the financial zombies it is keeping on walking-dead support. And so this serial mummery of weekend bailout schemes is as much of a fraud and a swindle as the algorithm-derived-securities shenanigans that induced the disease of bank zombification in the first place. The main question it raises is whether, eventually, the creation of evermore zombified US dollars will exceed the amount of previously-created US dollars now vanishing into oblivion through compressive debt deflation.
November 24, 2008 at 10:48 AM #308736ArrayaParticipanthttp://jameshowardkunstler.typepad.com/clusterfuck_nation/2008/11/zombie-economics.html#comments
Though Citicorp is deemed too big to fail, it’s hardly reassuring to know that it’s been allowed to sink its fangs into the Mother Zombie that the US Treasury has become and sucked out a multi-billion dollar dose of embalming fluid so it can go on pretending to be a bank for a while longer. I employ this somewhat clunky metaphor to point out that the US Government is no more solvent than the financial zombies it is keeping on walking-dead support. And so this serial mummery of weekend bailout schemes is as much of a fraud and a swindle as the algorithm-derived-securities shenanigans that induced the disease of bank zombification in the first place. The main question it raises is whether, eventually, the creation of evermore zombified US dollars will exceed the amount of previously-created US dollars now vanishing into oblivion through compressive debt deflation.
November 24, 2008 at 10:48 AM #308718ArrayaParticipanthttp://jameshowardkunstler.typepad.com/clusterfuck_nation/2008/11/zombie-economics.html#comments
Though Citicorp is deemed too big to fail, it’s hardly reassuring to know that it’s been allowed to sink its fangs into the Mother Zombie that the US Treasury has become and sucked out a multi-billion dollar dose of embalming fluid so it can go on pretending to be a bank for a while longer. I employ this somewhat clunky metaphor to point out that the US Government is no more solvent than the financial zombies it is keeping on walking-dead support. And so this serial mummery of weekend bailout schemes is as much of a fraud and a swindle as the algorithm-derived-securities shenanigans that induced the disease of bank zombification in the first place. The main question it raises is whether, eventually, the creation of evermore zombified US dollars will exceed the amount of previously-created US dollars now vanishing into oblivion through compressive debt deflation.
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