Change is in the air

[Allan from Fallbrook]

[quote=danielwis]Health care bill will pass. Its not perfect, and far from it. Conserva-dems and Republican’s skewed it strongly in favor of insurance companies. In the end, we will be left with an industry that is largely competition free, as it is today, but we will move closer toward universal coverage. Eventually, we will need to move toward single payer. The current system favors waste, abuse, provider over payment, and over treatment. That will eventually need to be addressed, and this bill does not do that.[/quote]

So let me get this straight: The bill doesn’t do what its supposed to and doesn’t contain the provisions or components that we want or need, but its better to get something, anything, passed than nothing. Do I have that right?

To what end does this benefit anybody? Is this simply a ploy to get Obama re-elected? Put something into place that can be made better, later? If the latter, history teaches the sheer impossibility of that happening. One can point fingers all day, but this is simply crappy legislation from an incompetent Congress. Obama’s first, and fatal, mistake was entrusting those bozos with the crafting of the bill. Nearly as bad was his inability to sell it to the American people.

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[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]Obama’s first, and fatal, mistake was entrusting those bozos with the crafting of the bill.[/quote]

I kinda agree with this but kinda don’t. People point to Clinton not letting Congress craft his bill as the reason for its failure. So then what’s a president to do?

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[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]Obama’s first, and fatal, mistake was entrusting those bozos with the crafting of the bill.[/quote]

I kinda agree with this but kinda don’t. People point to Clinton not letting Congress craft his bill as the reason for its failure. So then what’s a president to do?

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[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]Obama’s first, and fatal, mistake was entrusting those bozos with the crafting of the bill.[/quote]

I kinda agree with this but kinda don’t. People point to Clinton not letting Congress craft his bill as the reason for its failure. So then what’s a president to do?

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[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]Obama’s first, and fatal, mistake was entrusting those bozos with the crafting of the bill.[/quote]

I kinda agree with this but kinda don’t. People point to Clinton not letting Congress craft his bill as the reason for its failure. So then what’s a president to do?

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[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]Obama’s first, and fatal, mistake was entrusting those bozos with the crafting of the bill.[/quote]

I kinda agree with this but kinda don’t. People point to Clinton not letting Congress craft his bill as the reason for its failure. So then what’s a president to do?

[Allan from Fallbrook]

[quote=afx114][quote=Allan from Fallbrook]Obama’s first, and fatal, mistake was entrusting those bozos with the crafting of the bill.[/quote]

I kinda agree with this but kinda don’t. People point to Clinton not letting Congress craft his bill as the reason for its failure. So then what’s a president to do?[/quote]

Afx: Granted, this is post facto armchair quarterbacking, but I think Obama should have used his (early) bully pulpit to “sell” this bill to the American people. He had the political capital and, whether the Republicans want to admit it or not, the mandate, to push this forward.

Given that we all now have 30 second attention spans, he should have boiled the key elements down and, using something like FDR’s Fireside Chats, sold it to the public. Concurrently, he should have delivered a clearly written precis to Congress (“This is what I want”) as marching orders.

Not trying to bash Obama, but I think this health care bill clearly illustrates his lack of experience in crafting/drafting and passing large-scale legislation. Say what you will about LBJ, Reagan or even Dubya, but they knew the routine, especially when it came to arm-twisting, influence peddling and calling in favors. Obama delivered himself to the Republicans with his neck already exposed and they pounced.

Other posters have denigrated the GOP for marching in lockstep and much of that criticism is valid, but its worked pitch perfectly on health care. Again, not condoning it, just making an observation.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

[quote=afx114][quote=Allan from Fallbrook]Obama’s first, and fatal, mistake was entrusting those bozos with the crafting of the bill.[/quote]

I kinda agree with this but kinda don’t. People point to Clinton not letting Congress craft his bill as the reason for its failure. So then what’s a president to do?[/quote]

Afx: Granted, this is post facto armchair quarterbacking, but I think Obama should have used his (early) bully pulpit to “sell” this bill to the American people. He had the political capital and, whether the Republicans want to admit it or not, the mandate, to push this forward.

Given that we all now have 30 second attention spans, he should have boiled the key elements down and, using something like FDR’s Fireside Chats, sold it to the public. Concurrently, he should have delivered a clearly written precis to Congress (“This is what I want”) as marching orders.

Not trying to bash Obama, but I think this health care bill clearly illustrates his lack of experience in crafting/drafting and passing large-scale legislation. Say what you will about LBJ, Reagan or even Dubya, but they knew the routine, especially when it came to arm-twisting, influence peddling and calling in favors. Obama delivered himself to the Republicans with his neck already exposed and they pounced.

Other posters have denigrated the GOP for marching in lockstep and much of that criticism is valid, but its worked pitch perfectly on health care. Again, not condoning it, just making an observation.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

[quote=afx114][quote=Allan from Fallbrook]Obama’s first, and fatal, mistake was entrusting those bozos with the crafting of the bill.[/quote]

I kinda agree with this but kinda don’t. People point to Clinton not letting Congress craft his bill as the reason for its failure. So then what’s a president to do?[/quote]

Afx: Granted, this is post facto armchair quarterbacking, but I think Obama should have used his (early) bully pulpit to “sell” this bill to the American people. He had the political capital and, whether the Republicans want to admit it or not, the mandate, to push this forward.

Given that we all now have 30 second attention spans, he should have boiled the key elements down and, using something like FDR’s Fireside Chats, sold it to the public. Concurrently, he should have delivered a clearly written precis to Congress (“This is what I want”) as marching orders.

Not trying to bash Obama, but I think this health care bill clearly illustrates his lack of experience in crafting/drafting and passing large-scale legislation. Say what you will about LBJ, Reagan or even Dubya, but they knew the routine, especially when it came to arm-twisting, influence peddling and calling in favors. Obama delivered himself to the Republicans with his neck already exposed and they pounced.

Other posters have denigrated the GOP for marching in lockstep and much of that criticism is valid, but its worked pitch perfectly on health care. Again, not condoning it, just making an observation.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

[quote=afx114][quote=Allan from Fallbrook]Obama’s first, and fatal, mistake was entrusting those bozos with the crafting of the bill.[/quote]

I kinda agree with this but kinda don’t. People point to Clinton not letting Congress craft his bill as the reason for its failure. So then what’s a president to do?[/quote]

Afx: Granted, this is post facto armchair quarterbacking, but I think Obama should have used his (early) bully pulpit to “sell” this bill to the American people. He had the political capital and, whether the Republicans want to admit it or not, the mandate, to push this forward.

Given that we all now have 30 second attention spans, he should have boiled the key elements down and, using something like FDR’s Fireside Chats, sold it to the public. Concurrently, he should have delivered a clearly written precis to Congress (“This is what I want”) as marching orders.

Not trying to bash Obama, but I think this health care bill clearly illustrates his lack of experience in crafting/drafting and passing large-scale legislation. Say what you will about LBJ, Reagan or even Dubya, but they knew the routine, especially when it came to arm-twisting, influence peddling and calling in favors. Obama delivered himself to the Republicans with his neck already exposed and they pounced.

Other posters have denigrated the GOP for marching in lockstep and much of that criticism is valid, but its worked pitch perfectly on health care. Again, not condoning it, just making an observation.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

[quote=afx114][quote=Allan from Fallbrook]Obama’s first, and fatal, mistake was entrusting those bozos with the crafting of the bill.[/quote]

I kinda agree with this but kinda don’t. People point to Clinton not letting Congress craft his bill as the reason for its failure. So then what’s a president to do?[/quote]

Afx: Granted, this is post facto armchair quarterbacking, but I think Obama should have used his (early) bully pulpit to “sell” this bill to the American people. He had the political capital and, whether the Republicans want to admit it or not, the mandate, to push this forward.

Given that we all now have 30 second attention spans, he should have boiled the key elements down and, using something like FDR’s Fireside Chats, sold it to the public. Concurrently, he should have delivered a clearly written precis to Congress (“This is what I want”) as marching orders.

Not trying to bash Obama, but I think this health care bill clearly illustrates his lack of experience in crafting/drafting and passing large-scale legislation. Say what you will about LBJ, Reagan or even Dubya, but they knew the routine, especially when it came to arm-twisting, influence peddling and calling in favors. Obama delivered himself to the Republicans with his neck already exposed and they pounced.

Other posters have denigrated the GOP for marching in lockstep and much of that criticism is valid, but its worked pitch perfectly on health care. Again, not condoning it, just making an observation.

[Anonymous]

I remember watching when the gov. passed the bailout bill- some woman stood up and said (after she voted yes) “this won’t fix the problem but at least it’s something.” Now look at what a mess that is.

I don’t get the healthcare bill-forgive me but they want everyone to pay for a healthcare package so that everyone is covered, but the ones who are not covered now are the ones who do not have any money, how will they be able to get it in the future? Aren’t most people with no coverage already on medical?

[Anonymous]

I remember watching when the gov. passed the bailout bill- some woman stood up and said (after she voted yes) “this won’t fix the problem but at least it’s something.” Now look at what a mess that is.

I don’t get the healthcare bill-forgive me but they want everyone to pay for a healthcare package so that everyone is covered, but the ones who are not covered now are the ones who do not have any money, how will they be able to get it in the future? Aren’t most people with no coverage already on medical?

[Anonymous]

I remember watching when the gov. passed the bailout bill- some woman stood up and said (after she voted yes) “this won’t fix the problem but at least it’s something.” Now look at what a mess that is.

I don’t get the healthcare bill-forgive me but they want everyone to pay for a healthcare package so that everyone is covered, but the ones who are not covered now are the ones who do not have any money, how will they be able to get it in the future? Aren’t most people with no coverage already on medical?

[Anonymous]

I remember watching when the gov. passed the bailout bill- some woman stood up and said (after she voted yes) “this won’t fix the problem but at least it’s something.” Now look at what a mess that is.

I don’t get the healthcare bill-forgive me but they want everyone to pay for a healthcare package so that everyone is covered, but the ones who are not covered now are the ones who do not have any money, how will they be able to get it in the future? Aren’t most people with no coverage already on medical?

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