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January 29, 2008 at 9:17 AM #144794January 29, 2008 at 11:21 AM #144553SanDiegoDaveParticipant
zk wrote: So what was the benefit to the buyer to participate in this scheme? He’s going to pay higher property tax because of the higher purchase price, so there must be some benefit to him. What is it?
Because now he can just turn around and list it at the exact same price and sell it to someone who is getting financing. He’ll call it a “deal”. “Look, I won’t even raise the price. I just decided I didn’t want the house after all.”
The new buyer, surely completely unaware of the cash back scheme, pays “fair value” for the house, while this new seller makes a quick $70k.
And the scheming seller is probably also a RE Agent who is looking to sell other properties in the same area needs the higher comps. This was how the whole bubble happened in the first place. But in the past they would use the leverage of false equity to drive up prices. This way is a little harder since you need to do an all-cash deal to get the ball rolling. But it’s essentially the same BS as the bubble.
It’s more reason why NAR should change their “ethics” code so that Agents must disclose ALL properties in which they have had an ownership interest in the last five years to all of their clients.
But I’m not holding my breath on that…
January 29, 2008 at 11:21 AM #144795SanDiegoDaveParticipantzk wrote: So what was the benefit to the buyer to participate in this scheme? He’s going to pay higher property tax because of the higher purchase price, so there must be some benefit to him. What is it?
Because now he can just turn around and list it at the exact same price and sell it to someone who is getting financing. He’ll call it a “deal”. “Look, I won’t even raise the price. I just decided I didn’t want the house after all.”
The new buyer, surely completely unaware of the cash back scheme, pays “fair value” for the house, while this new seller makes a quick $70k.
And the scheming seller is probably also a RE Agent who is looking to sell other properties in the same area needs the higher comps. This was how the whole bubble happened in the first place. But in the past they would use the leverage of false equity to drive up prices. This way is a little harder since you need to do an all-cash deal to get the ball rolling. But it’s essentially the same BS as the bubble.
It’s more reason why NAR should change their “ethics” code so that Agents must disclose ALL properties in which they have had an ownership interest in the last five years to all of their clients.
But I’m not holding my breath on that…
January 29, 2008 at 11:21 AM #144797SanDiegoDaveParticipantzk wrote: So what was the benefit to the buyer to participate in this scheme? He’s going to pay higher property tax because of the higher purchase price, so there must be some benefit to him. What is it?
Because now he can just turn around and list it at the exact same price and sell it to someone who is getting financing. He’ll call it a “deal”. “Look, I won’t even raise the price. I just decided I didn’t want the house after all.”
The new buyer, surely completely unaware of the cash back scheme, pays “fair value” for the house, while this new seller makes a quick $70k.
And the scheming seller is probably also a RE Agent who is looking to sell other properties in the same area needs the higher comps. This was how the whole bubble happened in the first place. But in the past they would use the leverage of false equity to drive up prices. This way is a little harder since you need to do an all-cash deal to get the ball rolling. But it’s essentially the same BS as the bubble.
It’s more reason why NAR should change their “ethics” code so that Agents must disclose ALL properties in which they have had an ownership interest in the last five years to all of their clients.
But I’m not holding my breath on that…
January 29, 2008 at 11:21 AM #144823SanDiegoDaveParticipantzk wrote: So what was the benefit to the buyer to participate in this scheme? He’s going to pay higher property tax because of the higher purchase price, so there must be some benefit to him. What is it?
Because now he can just turn around and list it at the exact same price and sell it to someone who is getting financing. He’ll call it a “deal”. “Look, I won’t even raise the price. I just decided I didn’t want the house after all.”
The new buyer, surely completely unaware of the cash back scheme, pays “fair value” for the house, while this new seller makes a quick $70k.
And the scheming seller is probably also a RE Agent who is looking to sell other properties in the same area needs the higher comps. This was how the whole bubble happened in the first place. But in the past they would use the leverage of false equity to drive up prices. This way is a little harder since you need to do an all-cash deal to get the ball rolling. But it’s essentially the same BS as the bubble.
It’s more reason why NAR should change their “ethics” code so that Agents must disclose ALL properties in which they have had an ownership interest in the last five years to all of their clients.
But I’m not holding my breath on that…
January 29, 2008 at 11:21 AM #144894SanDiegoDaveParticipantzk wrote: So what was the benefit to the buyer to participate in this scheme? He’s going to pay higher property tax because of the higher purchase price, so there must be some benefit to him. What is it?
Because now he can just turn around and list it at the exact same price and sell it to someone who is getting financing. He’ll call it a “deal”. “Look, I won’t even raise the price. I just decided I didn’t want the house after all.”
The new buyer, surely completely unaware of the cash back scheme, pays “fair value” for the house, while this new seller makes a quick $70k.
And the scheming seller is probably also a RE Agent who is looking to sell other properties in the same area needs the higher comps. This was how the whole bubble happened in the first place. But in the past they would use the leverage of false equity to drive up prices. This way is a little harder since you need to do an all-cash deal to get the ball rolling. But it’s essentially the same BS as the bubble.
It’s more reason why NAR should change their “ethics” code so that Agents must disclose ALL properties in which they have had an ownership interest in the last five years to all of their clients.
But I’m not holding my breath on that…
May 1, 2008 at 9:10 PM #197566[email protected]ParticipantThe first resale in Derby Hill closed today for $1.25. It seems that Derby Hill is holding value – that house sold for $1.147 in 1/07. Of course they had to do the landscaping and pay realtors but I imagine they still broke even, or close to it.
May 1, 2008 at 9:10 PM #197601[email protected]ParticipantThe first resale in Derby Hill closed today for $1.25. It seems that Derby Hill is holding value – that house sold for $1.147 in 1/07. Of course they had to do the landscaping and pay realtors but I imagine they still broke even, or close to it.
May 1, 2008 at 9:10 PM #197628[email protected]ParticipantThe first resale in Derby Hill closed today for $1.25. It seems that Derby Hill is holding value – that house sold for $1.147 in 1/07. Of course they had to do the landscaping and pay realtors but I imagine they still broke even, or close to it.
May 1, 2008 at 9:10 PM #197651[email protected]ParticipantThe first resale in Derby Hill closed today for $1.25. It seems that Derby Hill is holding value – that house sold for $1.147 in 1/07. Of course they had to do the landscaping and pay realtors but I imagine they still broke even, or close to it.
May 1, 2008 at 9:10 PM #197690[email protected]ParticipantThe first resale in Derby Hill closed today for $1.25. It seems that Derby Hill is holding value – that house sold for $1.147 in 1/07. Of course they had to do the landscaping and pay realtors but I imagine they still broke even, or close to it.
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