Cancer

[spdrun]

Of course, every patient is a little different, but, for example, some of these newer agents seem to make the cancer cells go horribly astray very fast in a gastrointestinal cancer patient. Within 3 days to a week of the first infusion, they have managed to cause tumor blockage…

Is there any evidence that the same thing wouldn’t have happened without chemo?

[njtosd]

[quote=FlyerInHi][quote=njtosd]

Lance is like the girls who got pregnant out of wedlock in the 50s. He’s vilified because he was unlucky enough to get caught. The belief that any major athlete doesn’t use performance enhancing drugs while continuing to beat those who do is sort of Pollyana-ish.

Regarding cancer generally, “checkpoint inhibitors” may really turn around survival rates. They are getting a lot of attention in bio-techie circles:

What is a Checkpoint Inhibitor? Immune Checkpoint Inhibitor Definition

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I lost all respect for lance. He was too much of a self promoter. If you screw around out of wedlock then shut up, and lay low.

It’s very likely lance’s cancer was all made up. People do that all the time.[/quote]

I agree about the ego and self promotion. Sheryl Crow dodged a bullet, but maybe she’s just as bad. Lying about having cancer is just asking for it, in my very superstitious way of looking at things.

[FlyerInHi]

[quote=bearishgurl]
We in SD County, CA are very fortunate to have some of the best coordinated cancer care and the finest cancer doctors in the country. This is not the case for cancer patients residing in many other jurisdictions.[/quote]

Live in sizable metro area with a good university.

Better no to get cancer than to need for the best medical services.

The people I know who had cancer consumed a lot of processed food. I know it’s not science but my annecdotal obsevation. You can do experiments at home if you have mice as pets. Feed one mouse all processed snacks from big food. Feed the other mouse all fresh veggies.

I will suggest this to my nieces who are interested in science.

[no_such_reality]

Define processed food.

Flour is processed food. Pretty much soybean anything at this point is processed food.

I understand what you mean. But where’s the fuzzy line?

Is Salami a processed food? Humans have been eating it for a few thousand years.

What about a steak? What about a steak from a factory farmed, feed lot raised steer?

JMHO, pretty much all the meat in the regular grocery store counter is processed food at this point. Farm raised fish, feed lot cattle, and factory farmed chicken are getting closer to a nacho cheese corn chip than their thousand year old counterparts.

[FlyerInHi]

NSR, your point is well taken. The food choices we face are confusing.

Prettiy much until the 20th century people ate only boiled food, all in a stew. No cuisine, expect for the rich. A meal with salami and ham was reserved for holidays. Of course people suffered and died from malnutrition, and not cancer.

I would say that anything that is not pre-seasoned or pre-cooked is safe to eat. Farm raise steak is ok. But ham and salami, no. A ham and cheese sandwich is not good. But a salad with leafy greens, fruit, and slices of streak (yes, even non-organic, all farmed) is excellent. Skip the bottled ranch dressing and go with Italian vinaigrette or Thai lime dressing. There’s a Thai steak salad called “Nam Tok”. Different herbs are good for you.

[FlyerInHi]

My friend’s grandma came to visit from a small town in Italy. She saw our big houses and lawns and asked “where are all the chicken, ducks and goats?” “Where are the fruit trees and orchards?” We have useless, look-at-me front yards and backyards.

Lots of fresh herbs help flight cancer. Americans don’t eat enough herbs (mint, basil, cilantro, Rosemary, etc.,,)

[njtosd]

[quote=FlyerInHi]My friend’s grandma came to visit from a small town in Italy. She saw our big houses and lawns and asked “where are all the chicken, ducks and goats?” “Where are the fruit trees and orchards?” We have useless, look-at-me front yards and backyards.

Lots of fresh herbs help flight cancer. Americans don’t eat enough herbs (mint, basil, cilantro, Rosemary, etc.,,)[/quote]

Are you sure? The best poisons (cocaine, heroin) and chemotherapy agents, which are also poisons (for example taxol and vinca alkaloids) come from plants. They are natures way of saying “Don’t eat me”. You realize plants don’t want their leaves and shoots and roots eaten, right? That’s why they taste bitter and contain all kinds of flavors – these are intended to be a deterrent. They want you to eat the fruit – that’s why fruit tastes good.

[moneymaker]

“FlyerInHi” once your nieces mouse gets cancer give it to me and I will cure it!

[njtosd]

[quote=FlyerInHi]

Lots of fresh herbs help flight cancer. Americans don’t eat enough herbs (mint, basil, cilantro, Rosemary, etc.,,)[/quote]

Estragole (found in basil, bay, fennel, tarragon and anise) is suspected to be carcinogenic and genotoxic, as is indicated by a report of the European Union, Committee on Herbal Medicinal Products.

Food for thought regarding our sources of carcinogens (I am a big fan of Bruce Ames): http://mathforum.org/~josh/alfalfa.html

[FlyerInHi]

[quote=njtosd]
Are you sure? The best poisons (cocaine, heroin) and chemotherapy agents, which are also poisons (for example taxol and vinca alkaloids) come from plants. They are natures way of saying “Don’t eat me”. You realize plants don’t want their leaves and shoots and roots eaten, right? That’s why they taste bitter and contain all kinds of flavors – these are intended to be a deterrent. They want you to eat the fruit – that’s why fruit tastes good.[/quote]

njtosd, if you haven’t tried it yet, try the bitter melon. You can buy it at HMart or order it at the Chinese restaurant. It’s bitter but it takes good. It know to be good for the skin. I have Chinese friend who juices with bitter Melon and drinks a glass of green juice every. She has beautiful smooth skin.

In know a some Asian postdocs in the life sciences and they tell me about herbal remedies, some things passed down from the grandparents.

American Indians have good remedies too. I don’t mean cures but things you consume everyday that is good for health like nopala and echinicia. Unfortunately, now, American Indians eat mostly a western diet.

I juice and eat green leafy stuff like dandelion. We will see if I get cancer.

[FlyerInHi]

[quote=moneymaker]”FlyerInHi” once your nieces mouse gets cancer give it to me and I will cure it![/quote]

That would be a good experiment. Mice are nasty to keep around the house. Maybe they can keep them in cages out on the back porches. It might be traumatic for kids to induce cancer and diseases on their pets.

My nieces eat really well. They will not go to McDonald’s.

[njtosd]

See my post above. My brilliant great aunt was obese, drank martinis and lived into her 90s while maintaining a razor sharp intellect. That doesn’t mean being obese and drinking martinis is good for you. It means she was lucky. People have a bias to find examples of outcomes that match what they’d like to believe.

For years the Japanese polished rice with talc, which naturally contains asbestos. It was suggested that this habit was carcinogenic. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/5098957/
Japan (and other Asian countries)still has an enormously high rate of stomach cancer – 4x that of the U.K. Still not clear why: http://www.economicsofcancer.com/blog/stomach-cancer-is-a-major-problem-in-japan

Maybe it’s the bitter melon…..

[FlyerInHi]

Your great aunt was not subjected to big food during her formative years.

I know I’m a bit obsessed with health and longevity. No culture has the right answer. The only reason I mention Asian cuisine is because they consume a lot fresh natural stuff. Polished rice bad. I think stomach cancer is because of charred stuff like Korean BBQ.

We need to abandon food as cultural habit, and pick and choose from the best options. Food doesn’t have to be culturally “authentic”. It can be modified for health.

I can have a slice of thanksgiving turkey with steamed Chinese broccoli. No need for mashed potato or stuffing. Maybe small Mexican flan and Phillipine mango for dessert. No cakes or bakery stuff.

Oh, I’m not discounting luck and lucky genes. Maybe with food lifetime diet, and advancement in medicine, people with lucky genes can live to 120yo. Don’t know if you don’t try.

[FlyerInHi]

njtosd, thanks for the interesting article on stomach cancer.

The causes seem to be modern. Smoking and alcohol. I wonder if men suffer more can than women because Asian women drink and smoke a lot less. With men, it’s is a culture thing. Drinking and smoking is a sign of manhood.

Pickled salty stuff is bad. I always believed salt is bad. We get to much salt. You posted an article before that salt could be harmless. Even if salt is not bad, it’s not natural to the cavemen hunter gatherers. No salt for me.

[no_such_reality]

It’s hard too tell how much salt (sodium) our modern prehistoric ancestors got. Like carnivores, it depends on their meat and vital organ intake.

Those knowledgeable in it, estimate it as similar to chimpanzees which places pre-agriculture humans at aaround 750 mg sodium per day.

Without salt, even 750 mg of sodium is pretty hard to get to. A pound of game meat will come in around 250 mg

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