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  • February 20, 2009 at 1:32 PM #351242
    cr
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    [quote=kewp]blah…parroting…blah…masters. Taxation isn’t theft. blah….(or hiring undocumented workers) *is* theft.

    If you don’t like CA taxes, move. Please. And take your crappy taco stand with you.

    …blah…don’t want to pay…blah…leave.

    No, the root of the problem is rich people and small business owners employing illegal immigrants…[/quote]

    More mindless, illogical, irrelevant, and below-the-belt comments from kewp. But, okay…

    Who said there should be no taxes? Higher taxes are not a solution; lower taxes will be better in the long run. Of course like all liberals, who can’t think long term you take a good concept to the extreme in hopes of making communism look better.

    The fact is higher taxes will drive businesses away. No businesses = no college students. If all your fee paying students leave, the gov’t will just continue giving you grants? For what, your socialist slant and defense of anything anti-Bush?

    Rich people and small businesses pay more taxes than anyone. I won’t argue with you on immigration but it is one cause for raising taxes. So why raise them and subsidize those living off the system? Your arguments are laughable.

    So many snark comments from people offended by the idea of lower taxes, only because they associate it with Republicans. W and Arnold are not acting like Republicans. Some people like small gov’t. They don’t want mind-numbing handouts or their lives micromanaged by big brother.

    No one defending higher taxes has offered any explanation as to why this is GOOD for CA’s economy. It balances the budget – for what? a year? Then what?

    Glad to see Turtle and shakes understand.

    February 20, 2009 at 1:38 PM #350691
    afx114
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    [quote=cr]The fact is higher taxes will drive businesses away.[/quote]

    Did higher taxes drive businesses away in the 1990s? I still have yet to see numbers backing the taxes-kill-business claim. I’m perfectly open to be convinced otherwise.

    [quote=cr]No one defending higher taxes has offered any explanation as to why this is GOOD for CA’s economy.[/quote]

    CA’s economy did pretty well in the 1990s when taxes were higher. Do you have evidence to the contrary?

    “Everyone else bring data.”

    February 20, 2009 at 1:38 PM #351004
    afx114
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    [quote=cr]The fact is higher taxes will drive businesses away.[/quote]

    Did higher taxes drive businesses away in the 1990s? I still have yet to see numbers backing the taxes-kill-business claim. I’m perfectly open to be convinced otherwise.

    [quote=cr]No one defending higher taxes has offered any explanation as to why this is GOOD for CA’s economy.[/quote]

    CA’s economy did pretty well in the 1990s when taxes were higher. Do you have evidence to the contrary?

    “Everyone else bring data.”

    February 20, 2009 at 1:38 PM #351130
    afx114
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    [quote=cr]The fact is higher taxes will drive businesses away.[/quote]

    Did higher taxes drive businesses away in the 1990s? I still have yet to see numbers backing the taxes-kill-business claim. I’m perfectly open to be convinced otherwise.

    [quote=cr]No one defending higher taxes has offered any explanation as to why this is GOOD for CA’s economy.[/quote]

    CA’s economy did pretty well in the 1990s when taxes were higher. Do you have evidence to the contrary?

    “Everyone else bring data.”

    February 20, 2009 at 1:38 PM #351163
    afx114
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    [quote=cr]The fact is higher taxes will drive businesses away.[/quote]

    Did higher taxes drive businesses away in the 1990s? I still have yet to see numbers backing the taxes-kill-business claim. I’m perfectly open to be convinced otherwise.

    [quote=cr]No one defending higher taxes has offered any explanation as to why this is GOOD for CA’s economy.[/quote]

    CA’s economy did pretty well in the 1990s when taxes were higher. Do you have evidence to the contrary?

    “Everyone else bring data.”

    February 20, 2009 at 1:38 PM #351262
    afx114
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    [quote=cr]The fact is higher taxes will drive businesses away.[/quote]

    Did higher taxes drive businesses away in the 1990s? I still have yet to see numbers backing the taxes-kill-business claim. I’m perfectly open to be convinced otherwise.

    [quote=cr]No one defending higher taxes has offered any explanation as to why this is GOOD for CA’s economy.[/quote]

    CA’s economy did pretty well in the 1990s when taxes were higher. Do you have evidence to the contrary?

    “Everyone else bring data.”

    February 20, 2009 at 2:01 PM #350711
    kewp
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    [quote=cr]
    The fact is higher taxes will drive businesses away. No businesses = no college students. If all your fee paying students leave, the gov’t will just continue giving you grants? For what, your socialist slant and defense of anything anti-Bush?
    [/quote]
    No, higher taxes will drive *marginal* businesses away. Like the ones that are already committing tax and employment fraud.

    The ones that remain will thrive when they don’t have to compete with the crooks.
    [quote]
    Rich people and small businesses pay more taxes than anyone. I won’t argue with you on immigration but it is one cause for raising taxes. So why raise them and subsidize those living off the system? Your arguments are laughable.
    [/quote]
    Rich people and small businesses write-off more taxes than anyone. They also hire more undocumented workers than anyone and leave the rest of us to support them via the taxes we *do* pay.

    Raising sales taxes is the only way to *force* individuals and businesses employing illegal labor to at least cover some of the social costs of illegal aliens.
    [quote]
    No one defending higher taxes has offered any explanation as to why this is GOOD for CA’s economy.
    [/quote]
    See above. Taxation is one of the few methods to manage the fraud associated with capitalism and the free market.

    [quote]It balances the budget – for what? a year? Then what?
    [/quote]
    Yes, for the year. Then its time for a new budget.

    That’s how budgets work, you know.

    February 20, 2009 at 2:01 PM #351024
    kewp
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    [quote=cr]
    The fact is higher taxes will drive businesses away. No businesses = no college students. If all your fee paying students leave, the gov’t will just continue giving you grants? For what, your socialist slant and defense of anything anti-Bush?
    [/quote]
    No, higher taxes will drive *marginal* businesses away. Like the ones that are already committing tax and employment fraud.

    The ones that remain will thrive when they don’t have to compete with the crooks.
    [quote]
    Rich people and small businesses pay more taxes than anyone. I won’t argue with you on immigration but it is one cause for raising taxes. So why raise them and subsidize those living off the system? Your arguments are laughable.
    [/quote]
    Rich people and small businesses write-off more taxes than anyone. They also hire more undocumented workers than anyone and leave the rest of us to support them via the taxes we *do* pay.

    Raising sales taxes is the only way to *force* individuals and businesses employing illegal labor to at least cover some of the social costs of illegal aliens.
    [quote]
    No one defending higher taxes has offered any explanation as to why this is GOOD for CA’s economy.
    [/quote]
    See above. Taxation is one of the few methods to manage the fraud associated with capitalism and the free market.

    [quote]It balances the budget – for what? a year? Then what?
    [/quote]
    Yes, for the year. Then its time for a new budget.

    That’s how budgets work, you know.

    February 20, 2009 at 2:01 PM #351150
    kewp
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    [quote=cr]
    The fact is higher taxes will drive businesses away. No businesses = no college students. If all your fee paying students leave, the gov’t will just continue giving you grants? For what, your socialist slant and defense of anything anti-Bush?
    [/quote]
    No, higher taxes will drive *marginal* businesses away. Like the ones that are already committing tax and employment fraud.

    The ones that remain will thrive when they don’t have to compete with the crooks.
    [quote]
    Rich people and small businesses pay more taxes than anyone. I won’t argue with you on immigration but it is one cause for raising taxes. So why raise them and subsidize those living off the system? Your arguments are laughable.
    [/quote]
    Rich people and small businesses write-off more taxes than anyone. They also hire more undocumented workers than anyone and leave the rest of us to support them via the taxes we *do* pay.

    Raising sales taxes is the only way to *force* individuals and businesses employing illegal labor to at least cover some of the social costs of illegal aliens.
    [quote]
    No one defending higher taxes has offered any explanation as to why this is GOOD for CA’s economy.
    [/quote]
    See above. Taxation is one of the few methods to manage the fraud associated with capitalism and the free market.

    [quote]It balances the budget – for what? a year? Then what?
    [/quote]
    Yes, for the year. Then its time for a new budget.

    That’s how budgets work, you know.

    February 20, 2009 at 2:01 PM #351183
    kewp
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    [quote=cr]
    The fact is higher taxes will drive businesses away. No businesses = no college students. If all your fee paying students leave, the gov’t will just continue giving you grants? For what, your socialist slant and defense of anything anti-Bush?
    [/quote]
    No, higher taxes will drive *marginal* businesses away. Like the ones that are already committing tax and employment fraud.

    The ones that remain will thrive when they don’t have to compete with the crooks.
    [quote]
    Rich people and small businesses pay more taxes than anyone. I won’t argue with you on immigration but it is one cause for raising taxes. So why raise them and subsidize those living off the system? Your arguments are laughable.
    [/quote]
    Rich people and small businesses write-off more taxes than anyone. They also hire more undocumented workers than anyone and leave the rest of us to support them via the taxes we *do* pay.

    Raising sales taxes is the only way to *force* individuals and businesses employing illegal labor to at least cover some of the social costs of illegal aliens.
    [quote]
    No one defending higher taxes has offered any explanation as to why this is GOOD for CA’s economy.
    [/quote]
    See above. Taxation is one of the few methods to manage the fraud associated with capitalism and the free market.

    [quote]It balances the budget – for what? a year? Then what?
    [/quote]
    Yes, for the year. Then its time for a new budget.

    That’s how budgets work, you know.

    February 20, 2009 at 2:01 PM #351282
    kewp
    Participant

    [quote=cr]
    The fact is higher taxes will drive businesses away. No businesses = no college students. If all your fee paying students leave, the gov’t will just continue giving you grants? For what, your socialist slant and defense of anything anti-Bush?
    [/quote]
    No, higher taxes will drive *marginal* businesses away. Like the ones that are already committing tax and employment fraud.

    The ones that remain will thrive when they don’t have to compete with the crooks.
    [quote]
    Rich people and small businesses pay more taxes than anyone. I won’t argue with you on immigration but it is one cause for raising taxes. So why raise them and subsidize those living off the system? Your arguments are laughable.
    [/quote]
    Rich people and small businesses write-off more taxes than anyone. They also hire more undocumented workers than anyone and leave the rest of us to support them via the taxes we *do* pay.

    Raising sales taxes is the only way to *force* individuals and businesses employing illegal labor to at least cover some of the social costs of illegal aliens.
    [quote]
    No one defending higher taxes has offered any explanation as to why this is GOOD for CA’s economy.
    [/quote]
    See above. Taxation is one of the few methods to manage the fraud associated with capitalism and the free market.

    [quote]It balances the budget – for what? a year? Then what?
    [/quote]
    Yes, for the year. Then its time for a new budget.

    That’s how budgets work, you know.

    February 20, 2009 at 2:03 PM #350716
    kewp
    Participant

    [quote=afx114]
    Did higher taxes drive businesses away in the 1990s? I still have yet to see numbers backing the taxes-kill-business claim. I’m perfectly open to be convinced otherwise.

    “Everyone else bring data.”
    [/quote]

    You will never, ever get an answer from the free-market free-loaders.

    February 20, 2009 at 2:03 PM #351029
    kewp
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    [quote=afx114]
    Did higher taxes drive businesses away in the 1990s? I still have yet to see numbers backing the taxes-kill-business claim. I’m perfectly open to be convinced otherwise.

    “Everyone else bring data.”
    [/quote]

    You will never, ever get an answer from the free-market free-loaders.

    February 20, 2009 at 2:03 PM #351155
    kewp
    Participant

    [quote=afx114]
    Did higher taxes drive businesses away in the 1990s? I still have yet to see numbers backing the taxes-kill-business claim. I’m perfectly open to be convinced otherwise.

    “Everyone else bring data.”
    [/quote]

    You will never, ever get an answer from the free-market free-loaders.

    February 20, 2009 at 2:03 PM #351188
    kewp
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    [quote=afx114]
    Did higher taxes drive businesses away in the 1990s? I still have yet to see numbers backing the taxes-kill-business claim. I’m perfectly open to be convinced otherwise.

    “Everyone else bring data.”
    [/quote]

    You will never, ever get an answer from the free-market free-loaders.

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