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August 30, 2009 at 9:35 PM #451020August 30, 2009 at 9:51 PM #451636
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Participant[quote=Oxford]Most homes out there are REOs. I think like 80%. And the sub $400ks have multiple offers in days if they are not crack houses. OK, even crack houses go fast.
It is a war out there since the inventory is so low and investors and renters are in full hunt mode thinking prices have bottomed and rates are historically low — both true in some areas and price ranges. Often, asking prices are ridiculously low to start the bidding panic. Don’t think for a minute that offering full price will seal the deal. Look at PPSF in the area comps and come in around there regardless of the opening price. That may mean 20/30/40/50K over asking price. Welcome to so cal home buying.
From your post I think you are in for a long and frustrating experience unless you change your offer tactics and understand the game being played now.
You can sweeten your offer by removing some contingencies and shorter COE but banks are not really interested in that. And that 3% for closing? The asset managers will be doing hook shots with your offer into the trash can from 50 feet. Swoosh!!! And asking the REO bank to pay your closing costs will have him spewing his Diet Coke all over his LCD monitor.
At 10% down you have no chance on a hot property. There are tons folks with cash and lots of money down that will crush your offer. And cash is NOT king. Banks make money selling loans so HIGHEST and BEST offers means alot of different things to banks. I just beat out all cash with a great offer and 50% down.
Get a great broker and a Sandicor feed with your parameters. I used sdrealtor for selling my home in LCV and for purchasing my new one. Great guy and smart as hell and wrote the book on short sells. Tours are a thrilling experience…watching a guy navigate winding roads without a GPS while Blackberry texting and taking/making calls. It is a terrifying art form worth experiencing.
Sorry David LOL!!
Good luck and good hunting.
Ox
wiser and harder[/quote]A strong part of me doesn’t want to play that game – offering well over list. I would just wonder if I wasn’t being a conned fool and I would constantly question the existence of all those other offers. I wish more buyers would use their heads and not just feed the frenzy.
We’ve seen houses go for 40-60-70 above list, homes listed at 300 or lower. But I guess that is just what the market will bear. I wish agents would just the house at the price they think it should fetch.
We’ve received “highest and best offer” requests twice. Both times, I wanted to tell the listing agent to suck it. In the first case, I wanted to say, “I ain’t paying a penny more for that freeway-hugging, dirt-yard-sporting “Tudor.” We withdrew. It finally went pending for good a 10-12 days later.
In the second case, I told our agent that I wanted to see these alleged “above list” offers first before making out next move. How do I know the listing agent isn’t simply “padding” the numbers?
August 30, 2009 at 9:51 PM #451030Participant[quote=Oxford]Most homes out there are REOs. I think like 80%. And the sub $400ks have multiple offers in days if they are not crack houses. OK, even crack houses go fast.
It is a war out there since the inventory is so low and investors and renters are in full hunt mode thinking prices have bottomed and rates are historically low — both true in some areas and price ranges. Often, asking prices are ridiculously low to start the bidding panic. Don’t think for a minute that offering full price will seal the deal. Look at PPSF in the area comps and come in around there regardless of the opening price. That may mean 20/30/40/50K over asking price. Welcome to so cal home buying.
From your post I think you are in for a long and frustrating experience unless you change your offer tactics and understand the game being played now.
You can sweeten your offer by removing some contingencies and shorter COE but banks are not really interested in that. And that 3% for closing? The asset managers will be doing hook shots with your offer into the trash can from 50 feet. Swoosh!!! And asking the REO bank to pay your closing costs will have him spewing his Diet Coke all over his LCD monitor.
At 10% down you have no chance on a hot property. There are tons folks with cash and lots of money down that will crush your offer. And cash is NOT king. Banks make money selling loans so HIGHEST and BEST offers means alot of different things to banks. I just beat out all cash with a great offer and 50% down.
Get a great broker and a Sandicor feed with your parameters. I used sdrealtor for selling my home in LCV and for purchasing my new one. Great guy and smart as hell and wrote the book on short sells. Tours are a thrilling experience…watching a guy navigate winding roads without a GPS while Blackberry texting and taking/making calls. It is a terrifying art form worth experiencing.
Sorry David LOL!!
Good luck and good hunting.
Ox
wiser and harder[/quote]A strong part of me doesn’t want to play that game – offering well over list. I would just wonder if I wasn’t being a conned fool and I would constantly question the existence of all those other offers. I wish more buyers would use their heads and not just feed the frenzy.
We’ve seen houses go for 40-60-70 above list, homes listed at 300 or lower. But I guess that is just what the market will bear. I wish agents would just the house at the price they think it should fetch.
We’ve received “highest and best offer” requests twice. Both times, I wanted to tell the listing agent to suck it. In the first case, I wanted to say, “I ain’t paying a penny more for that freeway-hugging, dirt-yard-sporting “Tudor.” We withdrew. It finally went pending for good a 10-12 days later.
In the second case, I told our agent that I wanted to see these alleged “above list” offers first before making out next move. How do I know the listing agent isn’t simply “padding” the numbers?
August 30, 2009 at 9:51 PM #451445Participant[quote=Oxford]Most homes out there are REOs. I think like 80%. And the sub $400ks have multiple offers in days if they are not crack houses. OK, even crack houses go fast.
It is a war out there since the inventory is so low and investors and renters are in full hunt mode thinking prices have bottomed and rates are historically low — both true in some areas and price ranges. Often, asking prices are ridiculously low to start the bidding panic. Don’t think for a minute that offering full price will seal the deal. Look at PPSF in the area comps and come in around there regardless of the opening price. That may mean 20/30/40/50K over asking price. Welcome to so cal home buying.
From your post I think you are in for a long and frustrating experience unless you change your offer tactics and understand the game being played now.
You can sweeten your offer by removing some contingencies and shorter COE but banks are not really interested in that. And that 3% for closing? The asset managers will be doing hook shots with your offer into the trash can from 50 feet. Swoosh!!! And asking the REO bank to pay your closing costs will have him spewing his Diet Coke all over his LCD monitor.
At 10% down you have no chance on a hot property. There are tons folks with cash and lots of money down that will crush your offer. And cash is NOT king. Banks make money selling loans so HIGHEST and BEST offers means alot of different things to banks. I just beat out all cash with a great offer and 50% down.
Get a great broker and a Sandicor feed with your parameters. I used sdrealtor for selling my home in LCV and for purchasing my new one. Great guy and smart as hell and wrote the book on short sells. Tours are a thrilling experience…watching a guy navigate winding roads without a GPS while Blackberry texting and taking/making calls. It is a terrifying art form worth experiencing.
Sorry David LOL!!
Good luck and good hunting.
Ox
wiser and harder[/quote]A strong part of me doesn’t want to play that game – offering well over list. I would just wonder if I wasn’t being a conned fool and I would constantly question the existence of all those other offers. I wish more buyers would use their heads and not just feed the frenzy.
We’ve seen houses go for 40-60-70 above list, homes listed at 300 or lower. But I guess that is just what the market will bear. I wish agents would just the house at the price they think it should fetch.
We’ve received “highest and best offer” requests twice. Both times, I wanted to tell the listing agent to suck it. In the first case, I wanted to say, “I ain’t paying a penny more for that freeway-hugging, dirt-yard-sporting “Tudor.” We withdrew. It finally went pending for good a 10-12 days later.
In the second case, I told our agent that I wanted to see these alleged “above list” offers first before making out next move. How do I know the listing agent isn’t simply “padding” the numbers?
August 30, 2009 at 9:51 PM #450839Participant[quote=Oxford]Most homes out there are REOs. I think like 80%. And the sub $400ks have multiple offers in days if they are not crack houses. OK, even crack houses go fast.
It is a war out there since the inventory is so low and investors and renters are in full hunt mode thinking prices have bottomed and rates are historically low — both true in some areas and price ranges. Often, asking prices are ridiculously low to start the bidding panic. Don’t think for a minute that offering full price will seal the deal. Look at PPSF in the area comps and come in around there regardless of the opening price. That may mean 20/30/40/50K over asking price. Welcome to so cal home buying.
From your post I think you are in for a long and frustrating experience unless you change your offer tactics and understand the game being played now.
You can sweeten your offer by removing some contingencies and shorter COE but banks are not really interested in that. And that 3% for closing? The asset managers will be doing hook shots with your offer into the trash can from 50 feet. Swoosh!!! And asking the REO bank to pay your closing costs will have him spewing his Diet Coke all over his LCD monitor.
At 10% down you have no chance on a hot property. There are tons folks with cash and lots of money down that will crush your offer. And cash is NOT king. Banks make money selling loans so HIGHEST and BEST offers means alot of different things to banks. I just beat out all cash with a great offer and 50% down.
Get a great broker and a Sandicor feed with your parameters. I used sdrealtor for selling my home in LCV and for purchasing my new one. Great guy and smart as hell and wrote the book on short sells. Tours are a thrilling experience…watching a guy navigate winding roads without a GPS while Blackberry texting and taking/making calls. It is a terrifying art form worth experiencing.
Sorry David LOL!!
Good luck and good hunting.
Ox
wiser and harder[/quote]A strong part of me doesn’t want to play that game – offering well over list. I would just wonder if I wasn’t being a conned fool and I would constantly question the existence of all those other offers. I wish more buyers would use their heads and not just feed the frenzy.
We’ve seen houses go for 40-60-70 above list, homes listed at 300 or lower. But I guess that is just what the market will bear. I wish agents would just the house at the price they think it should fetch.
We’ve received “highest and best offer” requests twice. Both times, I wanted to tell the listing agent to suck it. In the first case, I wanted to say, “I ain’t paying a penny more for that freeway-hugging, dirt-yard-sporting “Tudor.” We withdrew. It finally went pending for good a 10-12 days later.
In the second case, I told our agent that I wanted to see these alleged “above list” offers first before making out next move. How do I know the listing agent isn’t simply “padding” the numbers?
August 30, 2009 at 9:51 PM #451371Participant[quote=Oxford]Most homes out there are REOs. I think like 80%. And the sub $400ks have multiple offers in days if they are not crack houses. OK, even crack houses go fast.
It is a war out there since the inventory is so low and investors and renters are in full hunt mode thinking prices have bottomed and rates are historically low — both true in some areas and price ranges. Often, asking prices are ridiculously low to start the bidding panic. Don’t think for a minute that offering full price will seal the deal. Look at PPSF in the area comps and come in around there regardless of the opening price. That may mean 20/30/40/50K over asking price. Welcome to so cal home buying.
From your post I think you are in for a long and frustrating experience unless you change your offer tactics and understand the game being played now.
You can sweeten your offer by removing some contingencies and shorter COE but banks are not really interested in that. And that 3% for closing? The asset managers will be doing hook shots with your offer into the trash can from 50 feet. Swoosh!!! And asking the REO bank to pay your closing costs will have him spewing his Diet Coke all over his LCD monitor.
At 10% down you have no chance on a hot property. There are tons folks with cash and lots of money down that will crush your offer. And cash is NOT king. Banks make money selling loans so HIGHEST and BEST offers means alot of different things to banks. I just beat out all cash with a great offer and 50% down.
Get a great broker and a Sandicor feed with your parameters. I used sdrealtor for selling my home in LCV and for purchasing my new one. Great guy and smart as hell and wrote the book on short sells. Tours are a thrilling experience…watching a guy navigate winding roads without a GPS while Blackberry texting and taking/making calls. It is a terrifying art form worth experiencing.
Sorry David LOL!!
Good luck and good hunting.
Ox
wiser and harder[/quote]A strong part of me doesn’t want to play that game – offering well over list. I would just wonder if I wasn’t being a conned fool and I would constantly question the existence of all those other offers. I wish more buyers would use their heads and not just feed the frenzy.
We’ve seen houses go for 40-60-70 above list, homes listed at 300 or lower. But I guess that is just what the market will bear. I wish agents would just the house at the price they think it should fetch.
We’ve received “highest and best offer” requests twice. Both times, I wanted to tell the listing agent to suck it. In the first case, I wanted to say, “I ain’t paying a penny more for that freeway-hugging, dirt-yard-sporting “Tudor.” We withdrew. It finally went pending for good a 10-12 days later.
In the second case, I told our agent that I wanted to see these alleged “above list” offers first before making out next move. How do I know the listing agent isn’t simply “padding” the numbers?
August 30, 2009 at 10:04 PM #451646Oxford
Participant[quote=smshorttimer]
A strong part of me doesn’t want to play that game – offering well over list. I would just wonder if I wasn’t being a conned fool and I would constantly question the existence of all those other offers. I wish more buyers would use their heads and not just feed the frenzy.
We’ve seen houses go for 40-60-70 above list, homes listed at 300 or lower. But I guess that is just what the market will bear. I wish agents would just the house at the price they think it should fetch.
We’ve received “highest and best offer” requests twice. Both times, I wanted to tell the listing agent to suck it. In the first case, I wanted to say, “I ain’t paying a penny more for that freeway-hugging, dirt-yard-sporting “Tudor.” We withdrew. It finally went pending for good a 10-12 days later.
In the second case, I told our agent that I wanted to see these alleged “above list” offers first before making out next move. How do I know the listing agent isn’t simply “padding” the numbers?[/quote]
I hear ya and AGREE! I hate it too. It sucks. You think you over bid when/if you win. My appraisal came in at my bid so my research and gamble paid off. I got a house that i LOVE and at a great price compared to what I see out there. And finally out of house-hunting-hell.
ox
…played with the devil and won
August 30, 2009 at 10:04 PM #451040Participant[quote=smshorttimer]
A strong part of me doesn’t want to play that game – offering well over list. I would just wonder if I wasn’t being a conned fool and I would constantly question the existence of all those other offers. I wish more buyers would use their heads and not just feed the frenzy.
We’ve seen houses go for 40-60-70 above list, homes listed at 300 or lower. But I guess that is just what the market will bear. I wish agents would just the house at the price they think it should fetch.
We’ve received “highest and best offer” requests twice. Both times, I wanted to tell the listing agent to suck it. In the first case, I wanted to say, “I ain’t paying a penny more for that freeway-hugging, dirt-yard-sporting “Tudor.” We withdrew. It finally went pending for good a 10-12 days later.
In the second case, I told our agent that I wanted to see these alleged “above list” offers first before making out next move. How do I know the listing agent isn’t simply “padding” the numbers?[/quote]
I hear ya and AGREE! I hate it too. It sucks. You think you over bid when/if you win. My appraisal came in at my bid so my research and gamble paid off. I got a house that i LOVE and at a great price compared to what I see out there. And finally out of house-hunting-hell.
ox
…played with the devil and won
August 30, 2009 at 10:04 PM #450849Participant[quote=smshorttimer]
A strong part of me doesn’t want to play that game – offering well over list. I would just wonder if I wasn’t being a conned fool and I would constantly question the existence of all those other offers. I wish more buyers would use their heads and not just feed the frenzy.
We’ve seen houses go for 40-60-70 above list, homes listed at 300 or lower. But I guess that is just what the market will bear. I wish agents would just the house at the price they think it should fetch.
We’ve received “highest and best offer” requests twice. Both times, I wanted to tell the listing agent to suck it. In the first case, I wanted to say, “I ain’t paying a penny more for that freeway-hugging, dirt-yard-sporting “Tudor.” We withdrew. It finally went pending for good a 10-12 days later.
In the second case, I told our agent that I wanted to see these alleged “above list” offers first before making out next move. How do I know the listing agent isn’t simply “padding” the numbers?[/quote]
I hear ya and AGREE! I hate it too. It sucks. You think you over bid when/if you win. My appraisal came in at my bid so my research and gamble paid off. I got a house that i LOVE and at a great price compared to what I see out there. And finally out of house-hunting-hell.
ox
…played with the devil and won
August 30, 2009 at 10:04 PM #451455Participant[quote=smshorttimer]
A strong part of me doesn’t want to play that game – offering well over list. I would just wonder if I wasn’t being a conned fool and I would constantly question the existence of all those other offers. I wish more buyers would use their heads and not just feed the frenzy.
We’ve seen houses go for 40-60-70 above list, homes listed at 300 or lower. But I guess that is just what the market will bear. I wish agents would just the house at the price they think it should fetch.
We’ve received “highest and best offer” requests twice. Both times, I wanted to tell the listing agent to suck it. In the first case, I wanted to say, “I ain’t paying a penny more for that freeway-hugging, dirt-yard-sporting “Tudor.” We withdrew. It finally went pending for good a 10-12 days later.
In the second case, I told our agent that I wanted to see these alleged “above list” offers first before making out next move. How do I know the listing agent isn’t simply “padding” the numbers?[/quote]
I hear ya and AGREE! I hate it too. It sucks. You think you over bid when/if you win. My appraisal came in at my bid so my research and gamble paid off. I got a house that i LOVE and at a great price compared to what I see out there. And finally out of house-hunting-hell.
ox
…played with the devil and won
August 30, 2009 at 10:04 PM #451381Participant[quote=smshorttimer]
A strong part of me doesn’t want to play that game – offering well over list. I would just wonder if I wasn’t being a conned fool and I would constantly question the existence of all those other offers. I wish more buyers would use their heads and not just feed the frenzy.
We’ve seen houses go for 40-60-70 above list, homes listed at 300 or lower. But I guess that is just what the market will bear. I wish agents would just the house at the price they think it should fetch.
We’ve received “highest and best offer” requests twice. Both times, I wanted to tell the listing agent to suck it. In the first case, I wanted to say, “I ain’t paying a penny more for that freeway-hugging, dirt-yard-sporting “Tudor.” We withdrew. It finally went pending for good a 10-12 days later.
In the second case, I told our agent that I wanted to see these alleged “above list” offers first before making out next move. How do I know the listing agent isn’t simply “padding” the numbers?[/quote]
I hear ya and AGREE! I hate it too. It sucks. You think you over bid when/if you win. My appraisal came in at my bid so my research and gamble paid off. I got a house that i LOVE and at a great price compared to what I see out there. And finally out of house-hunting-hell.
ox
…played with the devil and won
August 30, 2009 at 10:14 PM #451657ParticipantGosh, that was one sloppy post. My apologies.
What else I find interesting is the issue of the appraisal not matching the agreed-to price, which our agent thinks might happen with a short-sale we went after (mentioned in my post above; the winning bid was a relatively modest 25K over).
Assuming I am paraphrasing our agent correctly, there’s a strategy where a buyer will aim to bid high enough to be No. 1, then try to negotiate a lower price if/when appraisal comes in low?
August 30, 2009 at 10:14 PM #451465ParticipantGosh, that was one sloppy post. My apologies.
What else I find interesting is the issue of the appraisal not matching the agreed-to price, which our agent thinks might happen with a short-sale we went after (mentioned in my post above; the winning bid was a relatively modest 25K over).
Assuming I am paraphrasing our agent correctly, there’s a strategy where a buyer will aim to bid high enough to be No. 1, then try to negotiate a lower price if/when appraisal comes in low?
August 30, 2009 at 10:14 PM #451391ParticipantGosh, that was one sloppy post. My apologies.
What else I find interesting is the issue of the appraisal not matching the agreed-to price, which our agent thinks might happen with a short-sale we went after (mentioned in my post above; the winning bid was a relatively modest 25K over).
Assuming I am paraphrasing our agent correctly, there’s a strategy where a buyer will aim to bid high enough to be No. 1, then try to negotiate a lower price if/when appraisal comes in low?
August 30, 2009 at 10:14 PM #450858ParticipantGosh, that was one sloppy post. My apologies.
What else I find interesting is the issue of the appraisal not matching the agreed-to price, which our agent thinks might happen with a short-sale we went after (mentioned in my post above; the winning bid was a relatively modest 25K over).
Assuming I am paraphrasing our agent correctly, there’s a strategy where a buyer will aim to bid high enough to be No. 1, then try to negotiate a lower price if/when appraisal comes in low?
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