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November 11, 2012 at 10:47 AM #20268November 11, 2012 at 11:54 AM #754351
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ParticipantThe funny part is, w/in CA, people who live in SF gets paid the most for the same amount of work, since their cost of living is so high, so it’s much more likely to make >$250k in SF. So, they’re voting for taxes on themselves. Since cost of living in SD is much lower, we also get paid much lower. Which means it’s that much hard to make over $250k here than SF. So, they get to pay for CA’s spending. They’re happy to do it, since they voted for it, so I’m happy too. Maybe, once they need more money, they’ll propose higher taxes on family making more than $150k. After all, it’s still only a small percentage of CA’s population.
November 11, 2012 at 11:55 AM #754353bearishgurl
Participantctr, have you ever considered relocating to (biz-friendly) Tulsa (OK)? Lots of people from CA already have. There’s so much traffic there now in the middle of the biz day, I thought I was trying to turn left onto Figueroa St (in LA) in a recent “visit” for the day (to get my car repaired). With all the drivers of (still) CA-plated vehicles to contend with, it took me over four stoplight changes to get thru one traffic light there and more than five mins to safely turn left out of a gas station :=0
After noticing my license plate, the service writer asked where I was from and I told him “San Diego.” It turned out that he, the owner and their chief mechanic were all from SD County, having relocated there in the last few years :=0
You could reside in a “red state” with nice large cheap brick homes on large lots and feel right at home with an abundance of “escaped Californians” all around you :=]
November 11, 2012 at 12:14 PM #754356Participant[quote=AN]The funny part is, w/in CA, people who live in SF gets paid the most for the same amount of work, since their cost of living is so high, so it’s much more likely to make >$250k in SF. So, they’re voting for taxes on themselves. Since cost of living in SD is much lower, we also get paid much lower. Which means it’s that much hard to make over $250k here than SF. So, they get to pay for CA’s spending. They’re happy to do it, since they voted for it, so I’m happy too. Maybe, once they need more money, they’ll propose higher taxes on family making more than $150k. After all, it’s still only a small percentage of CA’s population.[/quote]
AN, I maintain that the avg salary in SF is 40% higher that the exact same position pays in SD County. This includes the counties of SF, SM, SC, Alameda, Contra Costa and Marin. Housing is NOT 40% higher in SF (or any of the abovementioned surrounding counties) than SD County. It is between 0 and 25% higher, depending upon the micro-area there and its comparable micro-area here.
Salaries are higher there because they don’t have a captive audience of thousands of employees (Americans incl) living cheaply in MX and crossing the border everyday to work in the US. And the weather in the SF Bay area isn’t as consistent as it is here. Periodically, the wind is very high in SF and SM counties. And commuting traffic can be much worse than here for residents of SC, Alameda and Contra Costa Counties (and beyond).
I understand you grew up here and your family still lives here but I feel that the SF Bay area has MUCH more opportunity for a “worker-bee,” ESP a Gen-Y worker, even in light of a so-called “affordable housing shortage” in the areas of the best jobs. I also feel it is entirely worth it for a young San Diegan college grad to relocate there for work, even one with a family. Most of the public schools there are better than here, as well.
November 11, 2012 at 12:17 PM #754355ctr70
ParticipantI would never personally live in Tulsa OK I would only likely move to the Pac NW or New England, maybe Hawaii. Or possibly even to somewhere in Asia part of the year. But I have heard people say good things about Tulsa, it’s just not for me.
I wrote in another post what I think of the whole red state/blue state color coded map issue and how it is over simplified. The fact is there are still a lot of fiscal conservatives in places like CA, Pac NW, and the Northeast U.S. Many are the wealthier higher educated people working in knowledge based industries (silicon valley, biotech, venture cap, etc). They are of course still much smaller in numbers than the Dems, but just looking at a color coded map of the U.S. red state vs. blue state generalizes this. It makes one believe everyone in a blue state is a raging liberal and everyone in a Red state listens to Rush Limbaugh daily.
I think the Repub party suffers from a marketing “branding” problem with these color coded maps in being too associated with *social conservatives* in the bible belt. When there are many moderate Repubs that lean to the right on taxation, spending, size and scope of Gov, entitlement reform, unions, pro-business, financial regulation. But lean to the left on gun control, pro choice, climate change, environment, war mongering. These are moderate Republicans, more “Michael Bloomberg” type Repubs. And I think if the Repub party branded itself more along these lines, they would get more of the higher income undecided voters and women on the coasts, who really are fiscal conservatives deep down. Or they will be soon when they start looking at what’s left of their paychecks.
November 11, 2012 at 12:27 PM #754357no_such_reality
ParticipantYou all need to go read the census figures. They’ll debunk you SF makes more mantra.
November 11, 2012 at 12:40 PM #754359Participant[quote=no_such_reality]You all need to go read the census figures. They’ll debunk you SF makes more mantra.[/quote]
What do you mean by this?
November 11, 2012 at 12:42 PM #754358Participant[quote=ctr70] . . . I wrote in another post what I think of the whole red state/blue state color coded map issue and how it is over simplified. The fact is there are still a lot of fiscal conservatives in places like CA, Pac NW, and the Northeast U.S. Many are the wealthier higher educated people working in knowledge based industries (silicon valley, biotech, venture cap, etc). They are of course still much smaller in numbers than the Dems, but just looking at a color coded map of the U.S. red state vs. blue state generalizes this. It makes one believe everyone in a blue state is a raging liberal and everyone in a Red state listens to Rush Limbaugh daily. . . . [/quote]
ctr, I’m sure you’re aware that, contrary to popular belief, the “bible belt” is full of an eclectic mix of folks from ALL races, nationalities, religions and political persuasions. You might be surprised to learn that a LOT of people there don’t even know who Rush Limbaugh is (ESP the younger people). The only race there is less of there is Asians, which tend to reside around the universities and military bases. Yes, some “bible-belt” states look “red” on the CNN map but in reality, its population is largely moderate, like you stated. I think most of the voters there just had issues with Obama because of the bailouts. “Bible belt” culture teaches its residents to pay their own debts and live within their means. And since their residential RE never really skyrocketed in “value” (lol) to begin with, there was never a lot of HELOCing and cash-out refinancing going on anywhere there during the millenium-boom years. Most of the residents there have no sympathy for those residents of states with boom-bust RE cycles who lived off their primary residence for years (until they lost it) and/or bought more house than they could afford.
November 11, 2012 at 12:57 PM #754360ParticipantI mean go look at the census fact finder and read the economic stats.
They look like OC.
November 11, 2012 at 12:58 PM #754361ParticipantOh, and btw, CTR, I can tell you that the “bible belt” is full of multimillionaires. However, they go humbly about their business every day, driving their (made in USA) pickups over to meet their friends at the local coffee shop at 7 am to discuss biz and current events. And no, they don’t serve Starbucks there.
No matter what their age, the (rural AND city) multimillionaire dress code for males is Levis 501’s, a hat and boots.
It’s tiring and taxing checking on one’s petroleum production all day. By the end the day, they are exhausted and their levis are filthy.
Occasionally, they “splurge” and run their pickups through an automatic car wash :=]
Their favorite drink for the road is coke in a bottle with peanuts poured in :=D
Most of them regularly vacation with their families in Cancun and the Caribbean. And nearly ALL own lakefront houses and speed boats free and clear :=D
November 11, 2012 at 1:00 PM #754362Participant[quote=no_such_reality]I mean go look at the census fact finder and read the economic stats.
They look like OC.[/quote]
I’m not following you. Who is “they?”
November 11, 2012 at 1:26 PM #754363spdrun
ParticipantSpeaking of the “bible-belt”, I know that TX didn’t have a bubble because they actually had stricter restrictions on mortgages and HELOCs than many of the “liberal” states. LTV is capped at 80%, only one HELOC is allowed, and HELOCs on primary residence were prohibited till the early 2000s. Those restrictions date from the 1800s and aren’t recent.
Re: Oklahoma – guess the great migration is reversing itself 🙂
Speaking to SF, I looked at Craigslist apt listings there recently out of curiosity. The place seems to have become more outrageously expen$ive than even Manhattan of late. $2k/mo for a sh!tty studio in a mediocre area? Nothx.
November 11, 2012 at 1:27 PM #754365Participant[quote=spdrun]Speaking of the “bible-belt”, I know that TX didn’t have a bubble because they actually had stricter restrictions on mortgages and HELOCs than many of the “liberal” states. LTV is capped at 80%, only one HELOC is allowed, and HELOCs on primary residence were prohibited till the early 2000s.
Those restrictions date from the 1800s and aren’t recent…[/quote]
You would be correct, spdrun. You are referring to the TX “homestead exemption.” (Limited) HELOC lending has only been allowed there since 1998. See:
http://piggington.com/what_is_the_equivalent_home_in_san_diego_to_this_158k_home_in_au?page=1
November 11, 2012 at 1:36 PM #754366Participant[quote=spdrun]…Re: Oklahoma – guess the great migration is reversing itself :)…[/quote]
LOL, OK is not the “dust bowl” of yesteryear anymore. In the early to mid-fifties, it started dredging its rivers and built several large beautiful man-made lakes … complete with dams and islands 🙂
Not ALL of the “bible belt” is in the middle of the plains or desert. The aerial view of Tulsa in the fall is gorgeous as it is heavily treed all throughout the city as well as around its beautiful surrounding lakes.
November 11, 2012 at 1:48 PM #754368ParticipantLOL, OK is not the “dust bowl” of yesteryear anymore. In the early to mid-fifties, it started dredging its rivers and built several large beautiful man-made lakes … complete with dams and islands 🙂
Not ALL of the “bible belt” is in the middle of the plains or desert. The aerial view of Tulsa in the fall is gorgeous as it is heavily treed all throughout the city as well as around its beautiful surrounding lakes.
I know that. I was just commenting on the reversal of old migration patterns. If anything, inner/Southern California has become somewhat of an (economic, if not literal) dustbowl right now.
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