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  • July 20, 2011 at 11:31 PM #712582
    equalizer
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    Using Moto Droid 1 for 1.5yrs. Excellent when released but Android 2.2 update causes freezes that is duplicated with many other users and similar phones. Newest phones may have fast processor to handle 2.2-2.3. VWZ acknowledged problem but their only solution was early upgrade. Should have been good offer but all the newer phone have horrible pixel quality – the screen got bigger but kept similar resolution.

    The Thunderbolt screen is not great for text. If you used Moto Droid 1,2 or IPhone for reading articles all these “great” new phone displays are woefully inadequate. Even the Moto Droid 3 which is supposed to have qHD display uses a pentile (?) screen which makes text appear pixelated. I hope the Bionic is not going to have same screen otherwise I may sell out for IP5. Apple must have so much supply chain clout that it buys up all the good screens in the world and forces carriers to price the phone at $199 on contract or $450 discount to retail, causing huge losses for carriers in first year. This is why we should just sell our non-producing assets such as houses and buy APPL stock!

    As for the carriers make sure where you need to use the phone the signal is sufficient. I noticed that VZW had weak signal in part of Point Loma and Coronado which was confirmed by a few friends. I asked VZW and they of course denied problem but after I gave them a couple random address the network team acknowledged month later that the signal is weak and they would remedy problem. Erect new towers or cancel my contract? You guessed it, cancel my contract! I had looked on some antenna map and it showed no VZW antennas in area and half dozen Sprint antennas. Difficult to believe in two expensive areas of town. Asked if LTE would be better, but VZW downplayed promise of longer range from current antennas.

    Yes I know I should get with the program and only use phone to play Angry Birds, watch Netflix or sing along to YouTube videos.

    July 21, 2011 at 7:20 AM #711475
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    [quote=AN][quote=CDMA ENG]Uhm… That is not quite right either about the LTE.. ATT and VZW both bought 700 MHz spectrum and the device itself is tunable to either including the differences in Bandwidth. LTE comes in 1.4, 3, 5, 10, 15, and 20 MHz versions.

    ATT also owns 2100 MHz bands…

    But Yeah if you buy a HSPDA you will need to buy one for going to LTE…

    CE[/quote]
    Either you know something these guys don’t, or what you’re saying is not correct: http://blog.connectedplanetonline.com/unfiltered/2011/07/18/verizon-att-lte-4g-networks-have-no-plans-to-play-nice/ Here’s another with a quote from VZW’s spoke person: http://www.bgr.com/2011/07/15/verizon-says-its-4g-phones-wont-be-compatible-with-atts-lte-network/%5B/quote%5D

    What they really are saying is that currently they plan to make thier devices frequency dependent. I predict this will last about a year. Simple truth is that the handset makers radio will be able to do business on all of these frequencies. The chip makers do not want to retool to make the chip frequncy dependent therefore there will be some hardware or software fix, to limit searchable frequencies, for this which will take some smart hacker all of about 6 months to figure out. Trust me, someone will jail break these devices and then it game on. The handset is being hijacked as to hopefully keeping the consumer with them. Eventually these tactics fall apart and techincally the phone will be able to handle all of the 700 block and 2100 AWS spectrum.

    This is all just a marketing scheme for now.

    CE

    July 21, 2011 at 7:20 AM #711570
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    [quote=AN][quote=CDMA ENG]Uhm… That is not quite right either about the LTE.. ATT and VZW both bought 700 MHz spectrum and the device itself is tunable to either including the differences in Bandwidth. LTE comes in 1.4, 3, 5, 10, 15, and 20 MHz versions.

    ATT also owns 2100 MHz bands…

    But Yeah if you buy a HSPDA you will need to buy one for going to LTE…

    CE[/quote]
    Either you know something these guys don’t, or what you’re saying is not correct: http://blog.connectedplanetonline.com/unfiltered/2011/07/18/verizon-att-lte-4g-networks-have-no-plans-to-play-nice/ Here’s another with a quote from VZW’s spoke person: http://www.bgr.com/2011/07/15/verizon-says-its-4g-phones-wont-be-compatible-with-atts-lte-network/%5B/quote%5D

    What they really are saying is that currently they plan to make thier devices frequency dependent. I predict this will last about a year. Simple truth is that the handset makers radio will be able to do business on all of these frequencies. The chip makers do not want to retool to make the chip frequncy dependent therefore there will be some hardware or software fix, to limit searchable frequencies, for this which will take some smart hacker all of about 6 months to figure out. Trust me, someone will jail break these devices and then it game on. The handset is being hijacked as to hopefully keeping the consumer with them. Eventually these tactics fall apart and techincally the phone will be able to handle all of the 700 block and 2100 AWS spectrum.

    This is all just a marketing scheme for now.

    CE

    July 21, 2011 at 7:20 AM #712169
    CDMA ENG
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    [quote=AN][quote=CDMA ENG]Uhm… That is not quite right either about the LTE.. ATT and VZW both bought 700 MHz spectrum and the device itself is tunable to either including the differences in Bandwidth. LTE comes in 1.4, 3, 5, 10, 15, and 20 MHz versions.

    ATT also owns 2100 MHz bands…

    But Yeah if you buy a HSPDA you will need to buy one for going to LTE…

    CE[/quote]
    Either you know something these guys don’t, or what you’re saying is not correct: http://blog.connectedplanetonline.com/unfiltered/2011/07/18/verizon-att-lte-4g-networks-have-no-plans-to-play-nice/ Here’s another with a quote from VZW’s spoke person: http://www.bgr.com/2011/07/15/verizon-says-its-4g-phones-wont-be-compatible-with-atts-lte-network/%5B/quote%5D

    What they really are saying is that currently they plan to make thier devices frequency dependent. I predict this will last about a year. Simple truth is that the handset makers radio will be able to do business on all of these frequencies. The chip makers do not want to retool to make the chip frequncy dependent therefore there will be some hardware or software fix, to limit searchable frequencies, for this which will take some smart hacker all of about 6 months to figure out. Trust me, someone will jail break these devices and then it game on. The handset is being hijacked as to hopefully keeping the consumer with them. Eventually these tactics fall apart and techincally the phone will be able to handle all of the 700 block and 2100 AWS spectrum.

    This is all just a marketing scheme for now.

    CE

    July 21, 2011 at 7:20 AM #712320
    CDMA ENG
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    [quote=AN][quote=CDMA ENG]Uhm… That is not quite right either about the LTE.. ATT and VZW both bought 700 MHz spectrum and the device itself is tunable to either including the differences in Bandwidth. LTE comes in 1.4, 3, 5, 10, 15, and 20 MHz versions.

    ATT also owns 2100 MHz bands…

    But Yeah if you buy a HSPDA you will need to buy one for going to LTE…

    CE[/quote]
    Either you know something these guys don’t, or what you’re saying is not correct: http://blog.connectedplanetonline.com/unfiltered/2011/07/18/verizon-att-lte-4g-networks-have-no-plans-to-play-nice/ Here’s another with a quote from VZW’s spoke person: http://www.bgr.com/2011/07/15/verizon-says-its-4g-phones-wont-be-compatible-with-atts-lte-network/%5B/quote%5D

    What they really are saying is that currently they plan to make thier devices frequency dependent. I predict this will last about a year. Simple truth is that the handset makers radio will be able to do business on all of these frequencies. The chip makers do not want to retool to make the chip frequncy dependent therefore there will be some hardware or software fix, to limit searchable frequencies, for this which will take some smart hacker all of about 6 months to figure out. Trust me, someone will jail break these devices and then it game on. The handset is being hijacked as to hopefully keeping the consumer with them. Eventually these tactics fall apart and techincally the phone will be able to handle all of the 700 block and 2100 AWS spectrum.

    This is all just a marketing scheme for now.

    CE

    July 21, 2011 at 7:20 AM #712681
    CDMA ENG
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    [quote=AN][quote=CDMA ENG]Uhm… That is not quite right either about the LTE.. ATT and VZW both bought 700 MHz spectrum and the device itself is tunable to either including the differences in Bandwidth. LTE comes in 1.4, 3, 5, 10, 15, and 20 MHz versions.

    ATT also owns 2100 MHz bands…

    But Yeah if you buy a HSPDA you will need to buy one for going to LTE…

    CE[/quote]
    Either you know something these guys don’t, or what you’re saying is not correct: http://blog.connectedplanetonline.com/unfiltered/2011/07/18/verizon-att-lte-4g-networks-have-no-plans-to-play-nice/ Here’s another with a quote from VZW’s spoke person: http://www.bgr.com/2011/07/15/verizon-says-its-4g-phones-wont-be-compatible-with-atts-lte-network/%5B/quote%5D

    What they really are saying is that currently they plan to make thier devices frequency dependent. I predict this will last about a year. Simple truth is that the handset makers radio will be able to do business on all of these frequencies. The chip makers do not want to retool to make the chip frequncy dependent therefore there will be some hardware or software fix, to limit searchable frequencies, for this which will take some smart hacker all of about 6 months to figure out. Trust me, someone will jail break these devices and then it game on. The handset is being hijacked as to hopefully keeping the consumer with them. Eventually these tactics fall apart and techincally the phone will be able to handle all of the 700 block and 2100 AWS spectrum.

    This is all just a marketing scheme for now.

    CE

    July 21, 2011 at 7:39 AM #711490
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    [quote=equalizer]As for the carriers make sure where you need to use the phone the signal is sufficient. I noticed that VZW had weak signal in part of Point Loma and Coronado which was confirmed by a few friends. I asked VZW and they of course denied problem but after I gave them a couple random address the network team acknowledged month later that the signal is weak and they would remedy problem. Erect new towers or cancel my contract? You guessed it, cancel my contract! I had looked on some antenna map and it showed no VZW antennas in area and half dozen Sprint antennas. Difficult to believe in two expensive areas of town. Asked if LTE would be better, but VZW downplayed promise of longer range from current antennas.[/quote]

    All the carriers suck in Coronado and Point Loma. Restrictive zoning laws coupled with the fact there is no acceptable place to put these antennas makes it extremely difficult to provide sufficient coverage. I can tell you the exact position for almost every carrier in these areas because they all have been limited to placing BTS’ at the same location.

    As for the LTE it will be more robust due to the superior characteristics of the 700 MHz signal. However this will add a couple hundred feet to the coverage… Not miles… So the coverage will go from sucky to fair… Not a huge improvement…

    CE

    July 21, 2011 at 7:39 AM #711585
    CDMA ENG
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    [quote=equalizer]As for the carriers make sure where you need to use the phone the signal is sufficient. I noticed that VZW had weak signal in part of Point Loma and Coronado which was confirmed by a few friends. I asked VZW and they of course denied problem but after I gave them a couple random address the network team acknowledged month later that the signal is weak and they would remedy problem. Erect new towers or cancel my contract? You guessed it, cancel my contract! I had looked on some antenna map and it showed no VZW antennas in area and half dozen Sprint antennas. Difficult to believe in two expensive areas of town. Asked if LTE would be better, but VZW downplayed promise of longer range from current antennas.[/quote]

    All the carriers suck in Coronado and Point Loma. Restrictive zoning laws coupled with the fact there is no acceptable place to put these antennas makes it extremely difficult to provide sufficient coverage. I can tell you the exact position for almost every carrier in these areas because they all have been limited to placing BTS’ at the same location.

    As for the LTE it will be more robust due to the superior characteristics of the 700 MHz signal. However this will add a couple hundred feet to the coverage… Not miles… So the coverage will go from sucky to fair… Not a huge improvement…

    CE

    July 21, 2011 at 7:39 AM #712184
    CDMA ENG
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    [quote=equalizer]As for the carriers make sure where you need to use the phone the signal is sufficient. I noticed that VZW had weak signal in part of Point Loma and Coronado which was confirmed by a few friends. I asked VZW and they of course denied problem but after I gave them a couple random address the network team acknowledged month later that the signal is weak and they would remedy problem. Erect new towers or cancel my contract? You guessed it, cancel my contract! I had looked on some antenna map and it showed no VZW antennas in area and half dozen Sprint antennas. Difficult to believe in two expensive areas of town. Asked if LTE would be better, but VZW downplayed promise of longer range from current antennas.[/quote]

    All the carriers suck in Coronado and Point Loma. Restrictive zoning laws coupled with the fact there is no acceptable place to put these antennas makes it extremely difficult to provide sufficient coverage. I can tell you the exact position for almost every carrier in these areas because they all have been limited to placing BTS’ at the same location.

    As for the LTE it will be more robust due to the superior characteristics of the 700 MHz signal. However this will add a couple hundred feet to the coverage… Not miles… So the coverage will go from sucky to fair… Not a huge improvement…

    CE

    July 21, 2011 at 7:39 AM #712335
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    [quote=equalizer]As for the carriers make sure where you need to use the phone the signal is sufficient. I noticed that VZW had weak signal in part of Point Loma and Coronado which was confirmed by a few friends. I asked VZW and they of course denied problem but after I gave them a couple random address the network team acknowledged month later that the signal is weak and they would remedy problem. Erect new towers or cancel my contract? You guessed it, cancel my contract! I had looked on some antenna map and it showed no VZW antennas in area and half dozen Sprint antennas. Difficult to believe in two expensive areas of town. Asked if LTE would be better, but VZW downplayed promise of longer range from current antennas.[/quote]

    All the carriers suck in Coronado and Point Loma. Restrictive zoning laws coupled with the fact there is no acceptable place to put these antennas makes it extremely difficult to provide sufficient coverage. I can tell you the exact position for almost every carrier in these areas because they all have been limited to placing BTS’ at the same location.

    As for the LTE it will be more robust due to the superior characteristics of the 700 MHz signal. However this will add a couple hundred feet to the coverage… Not miles… So the coverage will go from sucky to fair… Not a huge improvement…

    CE

    July 21, 2011 at 7:39 AM #712696
    CDMA ENG
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    [quote=equalizer]As for the carriers make sure where you need to use the phone the signal is sufficient. I noticed that VZW had weak signal in part of Point Loma and Coronado which was confirmed by a few friends. I asked VZW and they of course denied problem but after I gave them a couple random address the network team acknowledged month later that the signal is weak and they would remedy problem. Erect new towers or cancel my contract? You guessed it, cancel my contract! I had looked on some antenna map and it showed no VZW antennas in area and half dozen Sprint antennas. Difficult to believe in two expensive areas of town. Asked if LTE would be better, but VZW downplayed promise of longer range from current antennas.[/quote]

    All the carriers suck in Coronado and Point Loma. Restrictive zoning laws coupled with the fact there is no acceptable place to put these antennas makes it extremely difficult to provide sufficient coverage. I can tell you the exact position for almost every carrier in these areas because they all have been limited to placing BTS’ at the same location.

    As for the LTE it will be more robust due to the superior characteristics of the 700 MHz signal. However this will add a couple hundred feet to the coverage… Not miles… So the coverage will go from sucky to fair… Not a huge improvement…

    CE

    July 21, 2011 at 7:56 AM #711460
    Coronita
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    [quote=exsdgal]flu, can you comment about the network speed with your Nexus S on ATT? Thx.

    Prior to Nexus S, I had the Nokia N95 3g on ATT and consistently got 3g signal. I believe the Nexus S does not support the ATT 3g band, just curious what your experience has been on ATT.[/quote]

    There is a version of nexus s that supports the ATT 3G band versus T-Mobile.

    I9020A I believe is the ATT version
    I9020T I believe is the Tmobile version

    HSDPA 850 / 1900 / 2100 – i9020A for AT&T
    HSDPA 900 / 1700 / 2100 – i9020T for T-Mobile

    July 21, 2011 at 7:56 AM #711555
    Coronita
    Participant

    [quote=exsdgal]flu, can you comment about the network speed with your Nexus S on ATT? Thx.

    Prior to Nexus S, I had the Nokia N95 3g on ATT and consistently got 3g signal. I believe the Nexus S does not support the ATT 3g band, just curious what your experience has been on ATT.[/quote]

    There is a version of nexus s that supports the ATT 3G band versus T-Mobile.

    I9020A I believe is the ATT version
    I9020T I believe is the Tmobile version

    HSDPA 850 / 1900 / 2100 – i9020A for AT&T
    HSDPA 900 / 1700 / 2100 – i9020T for T-Mobile

    July 21, 2011 at 7:56 AM #712154
    Coronita
    Participant

    [quote=exsdgal]flu, can you comment about the network speed with your Nexus S on ATT? Thx.

    Prior to Nexus S, I had the Nokia N95 3g on ATT and consistently got 3g signal. I believe the Nexus S does not support the ATT 3g band, just curious what your experience has been on ATT.[/quote]

    There is a version of nexus s that supports the ATT 3G band versus T-Mobile.

    I9020A I believe is the ATT version
    I9020T I believe is the Tmobile version

    HSDPA 850 / 1900 / 2100 – i9020A for AT&T
    HSDPA 900 / 1700 / 2100 – i9020T for T-Mobile

    July 21, 2011 at 7:56 AM #712305
    Coronita
    Participant

    [quote=exsdgal]flu, can you comment about the network speed with your Nexus S on ATT? Thx.

    Prior to Nexus S, I had the Nokia N95 3g on ATT and consistently got 3g signal. I believe the Nexus S does not support the ATT 3g band, just curious what your experience has been on ATT.[/quote]

    There is a version of nexus s that supports the ATT 3G band versus T-Mobile.

    I9020A I believe is the ATT version
    I9020T I believe is the Tmobile version

    HSDPA 850 / 1900 / 2100 – i9020A for AT&T
    HSDPA 900 / 1700 / 2100 – i9020T for T-Mobile

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