Bank reserve requirements and the TAF

[barnaby33]

I was hoping Davelj would comment on this thread at Tickerforum, and be able to add some commentary as tot he validity of this line of thought.

In essence what Genesis is saying here is that the banks have run low enough on deposits that they have stopped initiating loans with hard money and instead are using money borrowed from the FED, via the TAF.

[davelj]

Yeah, basically this guy Genesis doesn’t have a clue as to what he’s talking about, which often happens when otherwise intelligent folks try to decipher the banking industry. As he kind of acknowledges at the beginning of his post: “Let me preface this by saying that I’m not at all certain I understand what I’m looking at here correctly.”

He got it right at the outset. There’s a post, apparently from someone over at Calculated Risk, that’s posted in the middle of the thread that’s approximately correct. (Most importantly, the poster correctly points out the difference between “liquidity reserves” and “capital,” two very different things.)

I’m not going to go through all of the balance sheet math here because it would take too long and wouldn’t accomplish very much. Suffice it to say that banks have five major sources of funding for loans: (1) Common Equity, (2) Trust Preferred and Sub Debt, (3) FHLB Borrowings, (4) Other “Fed-related” borrowings (such as the TAF, currently), and (5) Deposits. If the rates offered through the FHLB system or the TAF are as good or better than the terms that would have to be offered to depositors, then many banks will go with the past of least resistance – FHLB borrowings or the TAF. Remember, deposits not only cost money from the rate side of things but you also have to pay employees, etc. to process them; that is, deposits are “operationally expensive.” Sometimes it’s just cheaper and easier to use the “government’s money” (for lack of a better term), especially when Fed is practically throwing the money at them.

Merely the fact that the banks are availing themselves of the opportunity to use these funds doesn’t mean a whole lot. Nor is it really meaningful to look at liquidity reserves in relation to these funds. If the government gives warning that these funds will no longer be available as of “x” date, the banks will just raise deposit rates, take in sufficient deposits and repay the borrowed funds. Yeah, they’ll see a margin squeeze, but it’s not the end of the world.

Look, the regulators understand liquidity really well. This is a non-issue in the aggregate. The REAL issue is with capital and solvency. And regulators aren’t particularly good at that because it’s hard to analyze a loan portfolio that you didn’t underwrite yourself or a complex MBS portfolio that you didn’t purchase yourself. Liquidity will only become an issue AFTER more capital/solvency issues crop up, as in the recent case of Countrywide.

People should keep their eyes on the losses in the loan and securities’ portfolios. These FHLB/TAF borrowings, while not entirely unimportant, are a red herring.

[davelj]

Yeah, basically this guy Genesis doesn’t have a clue as to what he’s talking about, which often happens when otherwise intelligent folks try to decipher the banking industry. As he kind of acknowledges at the beginning of his post: “Let me preface this by saying that I’m not at all certain I understand what I’m looking at here correctly.”

He got it right at the outset. There’s a post, apparently from someone over at Calculated Risk, that’s posted in the middle of the thread that’s approximately correct. (Most importantly, the poster correctly points out the difference between “liquidity reserves” and “capital,” two very different things.)

I’m not going to go through all of the balance sheet math here because it would take too long and wouldn’t accomplish very much. Suffice it to say that banks have five major sources of funding for loans: (1) Common Equity, (2) Trust Preferred and Sub Debt, (3) FHLB Borrowings, (4) Other “Fed-related” borrowings (such as the TAF, currently), and (5) Deposits. If the rates offered through the FHLB system or the TAF are as good or better than the terms that would have to be offered to depositors, then many banks will go with the past of least resistance – FHLB borrowings or the TAF. Remember, deposits not only cost money from the rate side of things but you also have to pay employees, etc. to process them; that is, deposits are “operationally expensive.” Sometimes it’s just cheaper and easier to use the “government’s money” (for lack of a better term), especially when Fed is practically throwing the money at them.

Merely the fact that the banks are availing themselves of the opportunity to use these funds doesn’t mean a whole lot. Nor is it really meaningful to look at liquidity reserves in relation to these funds. If the government gives warning that these funds will no longer be available as of “x” date, the banks will just raise deposit rates, take in sufficient deposits and repay the borrowed funds. Yeah, they’ll see a margin squeeze, but it’s not the end of the world.

Look, the regulators understand liquidity really well. This is a non-issue in the aggregate. The REAL issue is with capital and solvency. And regulators aren’t particularly good at that because it’s hard to analyze a loan portfolio that you didn’t underwrite yourself or a complex MBS portfolio that you didn’t purchase yourself. Liquidity will only become an issue AFTER more capital/solvency issues crop up, as in the recent case of Countrywide.

People should keep their eyes on the losses in the loan and securities’ portfolios. These FHLB/TAF borrowings, while not entirely unimportant, are a red herring.

[davelj]

Yeah, basically this guy Genesis doesn’t have a clue as to what he’s talking about, which often happens when otherwise intelligent folks try to decipher the banking industry. As he kind of acknowledges at the beginning of his post: “Let me preface this by saying that I’m not at all certain I understand what I’m looking at here correctly.”

He got it right at the outset. There’s a post, apparently from someone over at Calculated Risk, that’s posted in the middle of the thread that’s approximately correct. (Most importantly, the poster correctly points out the difference between “liquidity reserves” and “capital,” two very different things.)

I’m not going to go through all of the balance sheet math here because it would take too long and wouldn’t accomplish very much. Suffice it to say that banks have five major sources of funding for loans: (1) Common Equity, (2) Trust Preferred and Sub Debt, (3) FHLB Borrowings, (4) Other “Fed-related” borrowings (such as the TAF, currently), and (5) Deposits. If the rates offered through the FHLB system or the TAF are as good or better than the terms that would have to be offered to depositors, then many banks will go with the past of least resistance – FHLB borrowings or the TAF. Remember, deposits not only cost money from the rate side of things but you also have to pay employees, etc. to process them; that is, deposits are “operationally expensive.” Sometimes it’s just cheaper and easier to use the “government’s money” (for lack of a better term), especially when Fed is practically throwing the money at them.

Merely the fact that the banks are availing themselves of the opportunity to use these funds doesn’t mean a whole lot. Nor is it really meaningful to look at liquidity reserves in relation to these funds. If the government gives warning that these funds will no longer be available as of “x” date, the banks will just raise deposit rates, take in sufficient deposits and repay the borrowed funds. Yeah, they’ll see a margin squeeze, but it’s not the end of the world.

Look, the regulators understand liquidity really well. This is a non-issue in the aggregate. The REAL issue is with capital and solvency. And regulators aren’t particularly good at that because it’s hard to analyze a loan portfolio that you didn’t underwrite yourself or a complex MBS portfolio that you didn’t purchase yourself. Liquidity will only become an issue AFTER more capital/solvency issues crop up, as in the recent case of Countrywide.

People should keep their eyes on the losses in the loan and securities’ portfolios. These FHLB/TAF borrowings, while not entirely unimportant, are a red herring.

[davelj]

Yeah, basically this guy Genesis doesn’t have a clue as to what he’s talking about, which often happens when otherwise intelligent folks try to decipher the banking industry. As he kind of acknowledges at the beginning of his post: “Let me preface this by saying that I’m not at all certain I understand what I’m looking at here correctly.”

He got it right at the outset. There’s a post, apparently from someone over at Calculated Risk, that’s posted in the middle of the thread that’s approximately correct. (Most importantly, the poster correctly points out the difference between “liquidity reserves” and “capital,” two very different things.)

I’m not going to go through all of the balance sheet math here because it would take too long and wouldn’t accomplish very much. Suffice it to say that banks have five major sources of funding for loans: (1) Common Equity, (2) Trust Preferred and Sub Debt, (3) FHLB Borrowings, (4) Other “Fed-related” borrowings (such as the TAF, currently), and (5) Deposits. If the rates offered through the FHLB system or the TAF are as good or better than the terms that would have to be offered to depositors, then many banks will go with the past of least resistance – FHLB borrowings or the TAF. Remember, deposits not only cost money from the rate side of things but you also have to pay employees, etc. to process them; that is, deposits are “operationally expensive.” Sometimes it’s just cheaper and easier to use the “government’s money” (for lack of a better term), especially when Fed is practically throwing the money at them.

Merely the fact that the banks are availing themselves of the opportunity to use these funds doesn’t mean a whole lot. Nor is it really meaningful to look at liquidity reserves in relation to these funds. If the government gives warning that these funds will no longer be available as of “x” date, the banks will just raise deposit rates, take in sufficient deposits and repay the borrowed funds. Yeah, they’ll see a margin squeeze, but it’s not the end of the world.

Look, the regulators understand liquidity really well. This is a non-issue in the aggregate. The REAL issue is with capital and solvency. And regulators aren’t particularly good at that because it’s hard to analyze a loan portfolio that you didn’t underwrite yourself or a complex MBS portfolio that you didn’t purchase yourself. Liquidity will only become an issue AFTER more capital/solvency issues crop up, as in the recent case of Countrywide.

People should keep their eyes on the losses in the loan and securities’ portfolios. These FHLB/TAF borrowings, while not entirely unimportant, are a red herring.

[davelj]

Yeah, basically this guy Genesis doesn’t have a clue as to what he’s talking about, which often happens when otherwise intelligent folks try to decipher the banking industry. As he kind of acknowledges at the beginning of his post: “Let me preface this by saying that I’m not at all certain I understand what I’m looking at here correctly.”

He got it right at the outset. There’s a post, apparently from someone over at Calculated Risk, that’s posted in the middle of the thread that’s approximately correct. (Most importantly, the poster correctly points out the difference between “liquidity reserves” and “capital,” two very different things.)

I’m not going to go through all of the balance sheet math here because it would take too long and wouldn’t accomplish very much. Suffice it to say that banks have five major sources of funding for loans: (1) Common Equity, (2) Trust Preferred and Sub Debt, (3) FHLB Borrowings, (4) Other “Fed-related” borrowings (such as the TAF, currently), and (5) Deposits. If the rates offered through the FHLB system or the TAF are as good or better than the terms that would have to be offered to depositors, then many banks will go with the past of least resistance – FHLB borrowings or the TAF. Remember, deposits not only cost money from the rate side of things but you also have to pay employees, etc. to process them; that is, deposits are “operationally expensive.” Sometimes it’s just cheaper and easier to use the “government’s money” (for lack of a better term), especially when Fed is practically throwing the money at them.

Merely the fact that the banks are availing themselves of the opportunity to use these funds doesn’t mean a whole lot. Nor is it really meaningful to look at liquidity reserves in relation to these funds. If the government gives warning that these funds will no longer be available as of “x” date, the banks will just raise deposit rates, take in sufficient deposits and repay the borrowed funds. Yeah, they’ll see a margin squeeze, but it’s not the end of the world.

Look, the regulators understand liquidity really well. This is a non-issue in the aggregate. The REAL issue is with capital and solvency. And regulators aren’t particularly good at that because it’s hard to analyze a loan portfolio that you didn’t underwrite yourself or a complex MBS portfolio that you didn’t purchase yourself. Liquidity will only become an issue AFTER more capital/solvency issues crop up, as in the recent case of Countrywide.

People should keep their eyes on the losses in the loan and securities’ portfolios. These FHLB/TAF borrowings, while not entirely unimportant, are a red herring.

[barnaby33]

Thanks Dave I appreciate the commentary and have posted a link to this on tickerform.

Josh

[barnaby33]

Thanks Dave I appreciate the commentary and have posted a link to this on tickerform.

Josh

[barnaby33]

Thanks Dave I appreciate the commentary and have posted a link to this on tickerform.

Josh

[barnaby33]

Thanks Dave I appreciate the commentary and have posted a link to this on tickerform.

Josh

[barnaby33]

Thanks Dave I appreciate the commentary and have posted a link to this on tickerform.

Josh

[JWM in SD]

JWM in SD

Old Karl is fun to read but tends to overstate and overshoot things.

You beat me to it Dave. I also read that post on CR as well this morning during breakfast. The more interesting part of that post was what they said about Bernanke and the Fed attempting to inflate to cover the borrowing and only up to that amount. I wouldn’t be surprised if this is true, but it seems like a long shot to me and I don’t think that the FED has the degree of control necessary to accomplish equilibrium between Hyper-Inflation and Deflation.

[JWM in SD]

JWM in SD

Old Karl is fun to read but tends to overstate and overshoot things.

You beat me to it Dave. I also read that post on CR as well this morning during breakfast. The more interesting part of that post was what they said about Bernanke and the Fed attempting to inflate to cover the borrowing and only up to that amount. I wouldn’t be surprised if this is true, but it seems like a long shot to me and I don’t think that the FED has the degree of control necessary to accomplish equilibrium between Hyper-Inflation and Deflation.

[JWM in SD]

JWM in SD

Old Karl is fun to read but tends to overstate and overshoot things.

You beat me to it Dave. I also read that post on CR as well this morning during breakfast. The more interesting part of that post was what they said about Bernanke and the Fed attempting to inflate to cover the borrowing and only up to that amount. I wouldn’t be surprised if this is true, but it seems like a long shot to me and I don’t think that the FED has the degree of control necessary to accomplish equilibrium between Hyper-Inflation and Deflation.

[JWM in SD]

JWM in SD

Old Karl is fun to read but tends to overstate and overshoot things.

You beat me to it Dave. I also read that post on CR as well this morning during breakfast. The more interesting part of that post was what they said about Bernanke and the Fed attempting to inflate to cover the borrowing and only up to that amount. I wouldn’t be surprised if this is true, but it seems like a long shot to me and I don’t think that the FED has the degree of control necessary to accomplish equilibrium between Hyper-Inflation and Deflation.

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