The Donald Trump, Illegal Alien, Foreigner, Immigrant Bitch and Moan Thread

[FlyerInHi]

[quote=no_such_reality]I feel sorry for you if you take a cartoon poster for safety from the Red Cross and after counting noses leap to it being “hate crime” or as the twitterina’s skrieked ‘super racist’,

At worst it’s unconscious bias. Sadly this is were our country is at, counting noses on everything.

How dare I and how could I possibly see “those kids are running, that guy is drinking a beer in a bottle, he’s horsing around, they’re shoving …”

Oh, wait, backup, better count noses… Hey blue whale, what the f’s up with this?

Curse that white privilege, I just saw people.[/quote]

NSR, I do agree that Black people are often too sensitive and unnecesarily worry about being dissed. But I do understand why.

But aren’t we all sensitive? In other countries, people will tell you that you’re too fat, too pale, teachers may says your kids aren’t bright, etc…. We’re kinda thin skinned here.

The white backlash that we see with trump is a result of White working class people feeling dissed for being non-cosmopolitan economic losers of low education. The rational thing to do would be to get a better education.

[SK in CV]

[quote=FlyerInHi]

NSR, I do agree that Black people are often too sensitive and unnecesarily worry about being dissed. But I do understand why.

[/quote]
I don’t get this. If you’ve never been black (which I presume you haven’t), how can you possibly know if “Black people are often too sensitive”? You can’t possibly ever see anything from the perspective of a black man. And I can tell you from first hand experience, if you’ve ever been part of a minority that has been discriminated against, the world does not look the same.

[PCinSD]

[quote=njtosd][quote=harvey]

Can you find all the hate crimes committed in this poster?

I got to six and had to stop because I was overwhelmed with despair.

Such a horrible injustice inflicted on people of color.[/quote]

By the Red Cross? http://wjla.com/news/nation-world/american-red-cross-apologizes-for-pool-safety-poster-featuring-not-cool-black-kids

There’s a difference between stupidity and a hate crime.[/quote]

I’m not seeing the problem here. According to the article: “all the “not cool” rule-breakers appear to be people of color”.

That’s a flat out lie. There’s 5 “not cool” instances:

1. Top right is a very white guy with sunglasses holding a glass bottle. Obviously, no glass is allowed at the pool. Last I checked white people weren’t considered people of color. Where’s the outrage? Misclassifying a person like that. That’s racist!

2. Top left are 2 boys running. One white, one black with a arrow pointing between them. Obviously, you aren’t allowed to run around the pool. The arrow doesn’t single out the person of color, but both the boys who are running. The white boy isn’t a person of color. Oh, and they showed the black boy ahead of him in that foot race. That’s racist!

3. Left of center appears to be a black boy diving into the pool. No diving? Not sure. So what.

4. Right of center is a kid who appears to be drowning? He looks like a dude with a tan, not a black kid. Same with the kid in the foreground.

5. Bottom, right. Looks like a black girl pushing a white girl into the pool. Obviously frowned upon. Racist? Of course not. Unless you see racism in everything.

Finally, I heard some nonsense about blacks are being stereotyped as not able to swim. The lifeguard on the right is black.

Should the Red Cross have known people would find a way to make it racist? Of course.

[Coronita]

[quote=PCinSD][quote=njtosd][quote=harvey]

Can you find all the hate crimes committed in this poster?

I got to six and had to stop because I was overwhelmed with despair.

Such a horrible injustice inflicted on people of color.[/quote]

By the Red Cross? http://wjla.com/news/nation-world/american-red-cross-apologizes-for-pool-safety-poster-featuring-not-cool-black-kids

There’s a difference between stupidity and a hate crime.[/quote]

I’m not seeing the problem here. According to the article: “all the “not cool” rule-breakers appear to be people of color”.

That’s a flat out lie. There’s 5 “not cool” instances:

1. Top right is a very white guy with sunglasses holding a glass bottle. Obviously, no glass is allowed at the pool. Last I checked white people weren’t considered people of color. Where’s the outrage? Misclassifying a person like that. That’s racist!

2. Top left are 2 boys running. One white, one black with a arrow pointing between them. Obviously, you aren’t allowed to run around the pool. The arrow doesn’t single out the person of color, but both the boys who are running. The white boy isn’t a person of color. Oh, and they showed the black boy ahead of him in that foot race. That’s racist!

3. Left of center appears to be a black boy diving into the pool. No diving? Not sure. So what.

4. Right of center is a kid who appears to be drowning? He looks like a dude with a tan, not a black kid. Same with the kid in the foreground.

5. Bottom, right. Looks like a black girl pushing a white girl into the pool. Obviously frowned upon. Racist? Of course not. Unless you see racism in everything.

Finally, I heard some nonsense about blacks are being stereotyped as not able to swim. The lifeguard on the right is black.

Should the Red Cross have known people would find a way to make it racist? Of course.[/quote]

Well I am offended. There is no asian representation in this cartoon. What is Red Cross thinking? Do they think us Asians never use the pool because we are too busy studying all the time?

[PCinSD]

[quote=flu][quote=PCinSD][quote=njtosd][quote=harvey]

Can you find all the hate crimes committed in this poster?

I got to six and had to stop because I was overwhelmed with despair.

Such a horrible injustice inflicted on people of color.[/quote]

By the Red Cross? http://wjla.com/news/nation-world/american-red-cross-apologizes-for-pool-safety-poster-featuring-not-cool-black-kids

There’s a difference between stupidity and a hate crime.[/quote]

I’m not seeing the problem here. According to the article: “all the “not cool” rule-breakers appear to be people of color”.

That’s a flat out lie. There’s 5 “not cool” instances:

1. Top right is a very white guy with sunglasses holding a glass bottle. Obviously, no glass is allowed at the pool. Last I checked white people weren’t considered people of color. Where’s the outrage? Misclassifying a person like that. That’s racist!

2. Top left are 2 boys running. One white, one black with a arrow pointing between them. Obviously, you aren’t allowed to run around the pool. The arrow doesn’t single out the person of color, but both the boys who are running. The white boy isn’t a person of color. Oh, and they showed the black boy ahead of him in that foot race. That’s racist!

3. Left of center appears to be a black boy diving into the pool. No diving? Not sure. So what.

4. Right of center is a kid who appears to be drowning? He looks like a dude with a tan, not a black kid. Same with the kid in the foreground.

5. Bottom, right. Looks like a black girl pushing a white girl into the pool. Obviously frowned upon. Racist? Of course not. Unless you see racism in everything.

Finally, I heard some nonsense about blacks are being stereotyped as not able to swim. The lifeguard on the right is black.

Should the Red Cross have known people would find a way to make it racist? Of course.[/quote]

Well I am offended. There is no asian representation in this cartoon. What is Red Cross thinking? Do they think us Asians never use the pool because we are too busy studying all the time?[/quote]

True. But . . . the dude in sunglasses carrying the bottle could be Asian. Go with that.

[njtosd]

[quote=SK in CV][quote=FlyerInHi]

NSR, I do agree that Black people are often too sensitive and unnecesarily worry about being dissed. But I do understand why.

[/quote]
I don’t get this. If you’ve never been black (which I presume you haven’t), how can you possibly know if “Black people are often too sensitive”? You can’t possibly ever see anything from the perspective of a black man. And I can tell you from first hand experience, if you’ve ever been part of a minority that has been discriminated against, the world does not look the same.[/quote]

Just for the sake of argument – since you can only know your own perspective, whatever that may be, how can you know “the world does not look the same” as it does to someone else? That would require understanding two perspectives and comparing them, which you have said can’t be done. All that being said, I think the “too sensitive” comment was an unjustified sweeping generalization – but Brian knows I disagree with him most of the time.

[Anonymous]

[quote=SK in CV]
I don’t get this. If you’ve never been black (which I presume you haven’t), how can you possibly know if “Black people are often too sensitive”? You can’t possibly ever see anything from the perspective of a black man. And I can tell you from first hand experience, if you’ve ever been part of a minority that has been discriminated against, the world does not look the same.[/quote]

LOL, “I don’t know your race but I’ll presume you are aren’t black so I can take an opportunity to call you a racist and tell you that I’m better than you because of my own minority status.”

The SJW fights on!

Tell us more about your first hand experience…

[SK in CV]

[quote=njtosd][quote=SK in CV][quote=FlyerInHi]

NSR, I do agree that Black people are often too sensitive and unnecesarily worry about being dissed. But I do understand why.

[/quote]
I don’t get this. If you’ve never been black (which I presume you haven’t), how can you possibly know if “Black people are often too sensitive”? You can’t possibly ever see anything from the perspective of a black man. And I can tell you from first hand experience, if you’ve ever been part of a minority that has been discriminated against, the world does not look the same.[/quote]

Just for the sake of argument – since you can only know your own perspective, whatever that may be, how can you know “the world does not look the same” as it does to someone else? That would require understanding two perspectives and comparing them, which you have said can’t be done. All that being said, I think the “too sensitive” comment was an unjustified sweeping generalization – but Brian knows I disagree with him most of the time.[/quote]

I guess I can’t know that the world does not look the same. What I do know is that I’ve been sensitive to what others have said or done, and others couldn’t see my perspective. But none of the others had ever opened up a job rejection letter that said “We won’t hire you because we don’t hire jew boys”.

[no_such_reality]

[quote=SK in CV][quote=njtosd][quote=SK in CV][quote=FlyerInHi]

NSR, I do agree that Black people are often too sensitive and unnecesarily worry about being dissed. But I do understand why.

[/quote]
I don’t get this. If you’ve never been black (which I presume you haven’t), how can you possibly know if “Black people are often too sensitive”? You can’t possibly ever see anything from the perspective of a black man. And I can tell you from first hand experience, if you’ve ever been part of a minority that has been discriminated against, the world does not look the same.[/quote]

Just for the sake of argument – since you can only know your own perspective, whatever that may be, how can you know “the world does not look the same” as it does to someone else? That would require understanding two perspectives and comparing them, which you have said can’t be done. All that being said, I think the “too sensitive” comment was an unjustified sweeping generalization – but Brian knows I disagree with him most of the time.[/quote]

I guess I can’t know that the world does not look the same. What I do know is that I’ve been sensitive to what others have said or done, and others couldn’t see my perspective. But none of the others had ever opened up a job rejection letter that said “We won’t hire you because we don’t hire jew boys”.[/quote]

Yea, never mind the being told not to bother even applying because the company really needs an AA hire in the spot…

Oh, I forgot, anything AA isn’t racist. Granted this was back in the day before people got PC and figured out that saying stuff like that goes really bad.

[FlyerInHi]

[quote=SK in CV][quote=FlyerInHi]

NSR, I do agree that Black people are often too sensitive and unnecesarily worry about being dissed. But I do understand why.

[/quote]
I don’t get this. If you’ve never been black (which I presume you haven’t), how can you possibly know if “Black people are often too sensitive”? You can’t possibly ever see anything from the perspective of a black man. And I can tell you from first hand experience, if you’ve ever been part of a minority that has been discriminated against, the world does not look the same.[/quote]

SK, I understand what you’re saying that’s why I’m not bothered by PC.

I was trying to say that people who bitch most about PC, such as Trump supporters, are themselves the biggest paranoid crybabies. They are the dominant culture but they see conspiracies against them all over the place. If their culture is so good then people will embrace it and they have nothing to fear.

Timely article on “telling it like it is”. Yes, my original comment about blacks being too sensitive was lazy. But I did try to expand a little bit.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-partisan/wp/2016/06/30/when-telling-it-like-it-is-exposes-lazy-thinking-about-blacks/?hpid=hp_no-name_opinion-card-a%3Ahomepage%2Fstory

[FlyerInHi]

[quote=livinincali][quote=FlyerInHi]Back to Brexit. So the conservative leadership offered a choice they didn’t support. Now that their pitchfork peasants have turned against them, what are they to do?

The conservative politics of division are resulting in economics of destruction. So much for good economic and wealth management.[/quote]

In Cameron’s case resign. Leave won by about 1 million votes. It seems difficult to ignore the will of the people when you already put it up for a vote. I don’t see why England can’t negotiate favorable trade deals similar to what Switzerland enjoys with the EU. If you’re an English taxpayer why do you want Brussels deciding that your tax dollars should be used to support Greece or whatever else EU problem arises. In California we don’t want Texas deciding our environmental policies.

Essentially the EU politicians in Brussels over played their power over sovereign nations in their migrant policies. It backfired on them. In the western world there’s a relatively low demand for unskilled laborers. There’s little reason to invite low skilled laborers into you country other than compassion. Economically it’s stupid because you have to divert resources from your own citizens to foreign immigrants.[/quote]

We shall see.. (I love how the Brits use the term shall).

Here’s my take on it.

The whole of the British establishment is very worried. Cameron gambled and he lost. He irreparably split the conservative party. The City of London that depends on financial services and supported the conservatives is reeling.

Britain is not Switzerland. Even Switzerland has fairly open work visas and welcomes lots of workers commuting daily into the country to work. The reason workers don’t live in Switzerland is because it’s expensive.

In order to remain the financial center, Britain needs freedom of movement as the majority of workers are not British citizens. The UK can certainly prosper outside of the EU and become a free-trade zone like Singapore or Dubai, in which case they cannot limit immigration. That will rile up the conservative base.

I don’t see how Brussels overplayed anything. It’s UK politicians who used politics of fear who overplayed.

As far are low-skilled workers, yes we all need them to do construction, plumbing, cleaning, etc… Polish and Eastern European immigrants in Britain work hard and help build the country. They are actually fairly well-educated but willing to work below their qualifications. They value education and their kids are moving on up. That’s where the resentment from working class Brits lies.

I see Berlin, Frankfurt and Paris attracting businesses from London. Berlin is especially attractive because of strength of the German economy and low real estate prices. And BTW, Germany is becoming a multicultural nation more like the USA. And they are the economic powerhouse of Europe. Compare that to the xenophobia of the 1990s when Germany was the sick man of Europe.

We shall see….

[FlyerInHi]

With all the xenophobia in the UK and the US, it’s so nice to have a leader like Justin Trudeau and a country like Canada where many Brits now want to move to.

sponsor syrian refugee is top google search
http://www.cbc.ca/news/trending/how-to-sponsor-a-refugee-syria-canada-1.3215814

Why can’t we have a hero like Trudeau in USA? I’m glad Obama honored Trudeau with a state dinner right after he was elected.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/justin-trudeau-joins-canadian-superheroes-for-marvel-comics-cover-1.3655625

[njtosd]

[quote=SK in CV][quote=njtosd][quote=SK in CV][quote=FlyerInHi]

NSR, I do agree that Black people are often too sensitive and unnecesarily worry about being dissed. But I do understand why.

[/quote]
I don’t get this. If you’ve never been black (which I presume you haven’t), how can you possibly know if “Black people are often too sensitive”? You can’t possibly ever see anything from the perspective of a black man. And I can tell you from first hand experience, if you’ve ever been part of a minority that has been discriminated against, the world does not look the same.[/quote]

Just for the sake of argument – since you can only know your own perspective, whatever that may be, how can you know “the world does not look the same” as it does to someone else? That would require understanding two perspectives and comparing them, which you have said can’t be done. All that being said, I think the “too sensitive” comment was an unjustified sweeping generalization – but Brian knows I disagree with him most of the time.[/quote]

I guess I can’t know that the world does not look the same. What I do know is that I’ve been sensitive to what others have said or done, and others couldn’t see my perspective. But none of the others had ever opened up a job rejection letter that said “We won’t hire you because we don’t hire jew boys”.[/quote]

I think you would have a hard time finding someone who hasn’t been excluded from something for reasons of prejudice. Women, those who are short, tall, not wealthy, not attractive, not from a certain cultural background, etc, etc. have all felt it. In the Upper peninsula of Michigan, they make fun of (and discriminate against) the Finns. The key is finding a way to succeed notwithstanding the prejudice.

[Essbee]

I’ll add one data point. 20 years ago, during college, I had a friend who had attended Bonita Vista High School in Chula Vista. One day, while hanging out, I met one of his former high school friends. Sure enough, that friend did indeed live in Tijuana (with his entire family) but had crossed the border every day to attend high school in the US. He openly admitted this.

I couldn’t understand how this was “legal”, considering that he wasn’t a U.S. resident. Obviously, it wasn’t legal. Basically, it was the phenomenon that BG has been talking about. I was kind of shocked by it all.

[SK in CV]

[quote=njtosd][quote=SK in CV][quote=njtosd][quote=SK in CV][quote=FlyerInHi]

NSR, I do agree that Black people are often too sensitive and unnecesarily worry about being dissed. But I do understand why.

[/quote]
I don’t get this. If you’ve never been black (which I presume you haven’t), how can you possibly know if “Black people are often too sensitive”? You can’t possibly ever see anything from the perspective of a black man. And I can tell you from first hand experience, if you’ve ever been part of a minority that has been discriminated against, the world does not look the same.[/quote]

Just for the sake of argument – since you can only know your own perspective, whatever that may be, how can you know “the world does not look the same” as it does to someone else? That would require understanding two perspectives and comparing them, which you have said can’t be done. All that being said, I think the “too sensitive” comment was an unjustified sweeping generalization – but Brian knows I disagree with him most of the time.[/quote]

I guess I can’t know that the world does not look the same. What I do know is that I’ve been sensitive to what others have said or done, and others couldn’t see my perspective. But none of the others had ever opened up a job rejection letter that said “We won’t hire you because we don’t hire jew boys”.[/quote]

I think you would have a hard time finding someone who hasn’t been excluded from something for reasons of prejudice. Women, those who are short, tall, not wealthy, not attractive, not from a certain cultural background, etc, etc. have all felt it. In the Upper peninsula of Michigan, they make fun of (and discriminate against) the Finns. The key is finding a way to succeed notwithstanding the prejudice.[/quote]

You’ve missed my point. Which is that calling a reaction to something like the referenced red cross poster “too sensitive” is absurd. Everyone’s perception is different. Obviously, some here don’t have any problem with it. Some even search for absurd excuses why it can’t possibly be racist. Even two members of the same group may have different reactions.

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