Are the Flippers Laying In Wait?

[CA renter]

[quote=UCGal]I think you need to differentiate between flippers and people purchasing to rent them out.

Flippers buy, spend some money to theoretically raise the sales price, and sell – in a short time frame. They don’t plan to hold the house, their business model is get-in-and-get-out.

Landlords buy with a different criteria – they look at cash flow vs expenses.

What seems to be the underlying issue isn’t whether they are flippers or landlords – it’s that these houses are being bought by people other than you.

My only advice – keep saving. Keep looking for opportunity to purchase a good value. If you keep getting outbid – perhaps you can’t afford the house. Or perhaps the person who bought paid too much. Either way – consider it a dodged bullet… You don’t want to be in a house that stretches you too much. You don’t want to overpay.

Being resentful to people who see opportunity and take it isn’t going to change the system… just give you a headache or ulcer. Life’s too short to give yourself self induced stress.[/quote]

IMHO, speculation is fine when that speculation doesn’t adversely affect people who have no control over these markets, yet need the goods/services from these markets in order to survive.

The difference between acceptable speculation and unacceptable speculation depends on whether or not the speculation involves a want or a need. Want to buy a billion dollars worth of MSFT stock (either for the dividend or capital appreciation)? Great! Want to speculate on whether or not the Giants win? Super! Gold, copper, Intel stocks, corporate bonds, etc. are all open for speculation, and I couldn’t care less if people make or lose money there (as long as they don’t ask me to cover their losses)

Want to speculate on the price of water, clean air, oil, housing, food, or other basic necessities? I have a problem with that.

Just MHO — it’s the socialist in me. 😉

[NotCranky]

[quote=CA renter][quote=UCGal]I think you need to differentiate between flippers and people purchasing to rent them out.

Flippers buy, spend some money to theoretically raise the sales price, and sell – in a short time frame. They don’t plan to hold the house, their business model is get-in-and-get-out.

Landlords buy with a different criteria – they look at cash flow vs expenses.

What seems to be the underlying issue isn’t whether they are flippers or landlords – it’s that these houses are being bought by people other than you.

My only advice – keep saving. Keep looking for opportunity to purchase a good value. If you keep getting outbid – perhaps you can’t afford the house. Or perhaps the person who bought paid too much. Either way – consider it a dodged bullet… You don’t want to be in a house that stretches you too much. You don’t want to overpay.

Being resentful to people who see opportunity and take it isn’t going to change the system… just give you a headache or ulcer. Life’s too short to give yourself self induced stress.[/quote]

IMHO, speculation is fine when that speculation doesn’t adversely affect people who have no control over these markets, yet need the goods/services from these markets in order to survive.

The difference between acceptable speculation and unacceptable speculation depends on whether or not the speculation involves a want or a need. Want to buy a billion dollars worth of MSFT stock (either for the dividend or capital appreciation)? Great! Want to speculate on whether or not the Giants win? Super! Gold, copper, Intel stocks, corporate bonds, etc. are all open for speculation, and I couldn’t care less if people make or lose money there (as long as they don’t ask me to cover their losses)

Want to speculate on the price of water, clean air, oil, housing, food, or other basic necessities? I have a problem with that.

Just MHO — it’s the socialist in me. ;)[/quote]

The logical conclusion then is to abolish private property, isn’t it? As long as there is private property there will be some people excluded … or are you going to have some extreme open door policy and be a different kind of property owner?

On the other hand, that Msft stock is going to go up or tank based on speculation by management on real estate,acquiring and utilizing finite natural resources, energy use,human capital, and a host of other things you think should be off limits.You are just speculating that other NON-SOCIAlIST speculators will do well for you. Microsoft is also non-discriminatory as to where their product is used. I am sure many cluster bomb factories get great deals on Microsoft products. While I don’t mind entertaining the idea that hording real estate is not the most spiritual path that a person can take, when done with a reasonable application of character it can be at least as moral as Microsoft.

I think it is worse to speculate on paper gains which will be attached to some misery index somewhere and especially with the definite purpose of avoiding any real work or service to anyone.

I think you just have a quirky attitude about speculation in real estate for whatever reason.
It wouldn’t be quirky though if you were an acetic of some kind but that doesn’t seem to be the case.

[NotCranky]

[quote=CA renter][quote=UCGal]I think you need to differentiate between flippers and people purchasing to rent them out.

Flippers buy, spend some money to theoretically raise the sales price, and sell – in a short time frame. They don’t plan to hold the house, their business model is get-in-and-get-out.

Landlords buy with a different criteria – they look at cash flow vs expenses.

What seems to be the underlying issue isn’t whether they are flippers or landlords – it’s that these houses are being bought by people other than you.

My only advice – keep saving. Keep looking for opportunity to purchase a good value. If you keep getting outbid – perhaps you can’t afford the house. Or perhaps the person who bought paid too much. Either way – consider it a dodged bullet… You don’t want to be in a house that stretches you too much. You don’t want to overpay.

Being resentful to people who see opportunity and take it isn’t going to change the system… just give you a headache or ulcer. Life’s too short to give yourself self induced stress.[/quote]

IMHO, speculation is fine when that speculation doesn’t adversely affect people who have no control over these markets, yet need the goods/services from these markets in order to survive.

The difference between acceptable speculation and unacceptable speculation depends on whether or not the speculation involves a want or a need. Want to buy a billion dollars worth of MSFT stock (either for the dividend or capital appreciation)? Great! Want to speculate on whether or not the Giants win? Super! Gold, copper, Intel stocks, corporate bonds, etc. are all open for speculation, and I couldn’t care less if people make or lose money there (as long as they don’t ask me to cover their losses)

Want to speculate on the price of water, clean air, oil, housing, food, or other basic necessities? I have a problem with that.

Just MHO — it’s the socialist in me. ;)[/quote]

The logical conclusion then is to abolish private property, isn’t it? As long as there is private property there will be some people excluded … or are you going to have some extreme open door policy and be a different kind of property owner?

On the other hand, that Msft stock is going to go up or tank based on speculation by management on real estate,acquiring and utilizing finite natural resources, energy use,human capital, and a host of other things you think should be off limits.You are just speculating that other NON-SOCIAlIST speculators will do well for you. Microsoft is also non-discriminatory as to where their product is used. I am sure many cluster bomb factories get great deals on Microsoft products. While I don’t mind entertaining the idea that hording real estate is not the most spiritual path that a person can take, when done with a reasonable application of character it can be at least as moral as Microsoft.

I think it is worse to speculate on paper gains which will be attached to some misery index somewhere and especially with the definite purpose of avoiding any real work or service to anyone.

I think you just have a quirky attitude about speculation in real estate for whatever reason.
It wouldn’t be quirky though if you were an acetic of some kind but that doesn’t seem to be the case.

[NotCranky]

[quote=CA renter][quote=UCGal]I think you need to differentiate between flippers and people purchasing to rent them out.

Flippers buy, spend some money to theoretically raise the sales price, and sell – in a short time frame. They don’t plan to hold the house, their business model is get-in-and-get-out.

Landlords buy with a different criteria – they look at cash flow vs expenses.

What seems to be the underlying issue isn’t whether they are flippers or landlords – it’s that these houses are being bought by people other than you.

My only advice – keep saving. Keep looking for opportunity to purchase a good value. If you keep getting outbid – perhaps you can’t afford the house. Or perhaps the person who bought paid too much. Either way – consider it a dodged bullet… You don’t want to be in a house that stretches you too much. You don’t want to overpay.

Being resentful to people who see opportunity and take it isn’t going to change the system… just give you a headache or ulcer. Life’s too short to give yourself self induced stress.[/quote]

IMHO, speculation is fine when that speculation doesn’t adversely affect people who have no control over these markets, yet need the goods/services from these markets in order to survive.

The difference between acceptable speculation and unacceptable speculation depends on whether or not the speculation involves a want or a need. Want to buy a billion dollars worth of MSFT stock (either for the dividend or capital appreciation)? Great! Want to speculate on whether or not the Giants win? Super! Gold, copper, Intel stocks, corporate bonds, etc. are all open for speculation, and I couldn’t care less if people make or lose money there (as long as they don’t ask me to cover their losses)

Want to speculate on the price of water, clean air, oil, housing, food, or other basic necessities? I have a problem with that.

Just MHO — it’s the socialist in me. ;)[/quote]

The logical conclusion then is to abolish private property, isn’t it? As long as there is private property there will be some people excluded … or are you going to have some extreme open door policy and be a different kind of property owner?

On the other hand, that Msft stock is going to go up or tank based on speculation by management on real estate,acquiring and utilizing finite natural resources, energy use,human capital, and a host of other things you think should be off limits.You are just speculating that other NON-SOCIAlIST speculators will do well for you. Microsoft is also non-discriminatory as to where their product is used. I am sure many cluster bomb factories get great deals on Microsoft products. While I don’t mind entertaining the idea that hording real estate is not the most spiritual path that a person can take, when done with a reasonable application of character it can be at least as moral as Microsoft.

I think it is worse to speculate on paper gains which will be attached to some misery index somewhere and especially with the definite purpose of avoiding any real work or service to anyone.

I think you just have a quirky attitude about speculation in real estate for whatever reason.
It wouldn’t be quirky though if you were an acetic of some kind but that doesn’t seem to be the case.

[NotCranky]

[quote=CA renter][quote=UCGal]I think you need to differentiate between flippers and people purchasing to rent them out.

Flippers buy, spend some money to theoretically raise the sales price, and sell – in a short time frame. They don’t plan to hold the house, their business model is get-in-and-get-out.

Landlords buy with a different criteria – they look at cash flow vs expenses.

What seems to be the underlying issue isn’t whether they are flippers or landlords – it’s that these houses are being bought by people other than you.

My only advice – keep saving. Keep looking for opportunity to purchase a good value. If you keep getting outbid – perhaps you can’t afford the house. Or perhaps the person who bought paid too much. Either way – consider it a dodged bullet… You don’t want to be in a house that stretches you too much. You don’t want to overpay.

Being resentful to people who see opportunity and take it isn’t going to change the system… just give you a headache or ulcer. Life’s too short to give yourself self induced stress.[/quote]

IMHO, speculation is fine when that speculation doesn’t adversely affect people who have no control over these markets, yet need the goods/services from these markets in order to survive.

The difference between acceptable speculation and unacceptable speculation depends on whether or not the speculation involves a want or a need. Want to buy a billion dollars worth of MSFT stock (either for the dividend or capital appreciation)? Great! Want to speculate on whether or not the Giants win? Super! Gold, copper, Intel stocks, corporate bonds, etc. are all open for speculation, and I couldn’t care less if people make or lose money there (as long as they don’t ask me to cover their losses)

Want to speculate on the price of water, clean air, oil, housing, food, or other basic necessities? I have a problem with that.

Just MHO — it’s the socialist in me. ;)[/quote]

The logical conclusion then is to abolish private property, isn’t it? As long as there is private property there will be some people excluded … or are you going to have some extreme open door policy and be a different kind of property owner?

On the other hand, that Msft stock is going to go up or tank based on speculation by management on real estate,acquiring and utilizing finite natural resources, energy use,human capital, and a host of other things you think should be off limits.You are just speculating that other NON-SOCIAlIST speculators will do well for you. Microsoft is also non-discriminatory as to where their product is used. I am sure many cluster bomb factories get great deals on Microsoft products. While I don’t mind entertaining the idea that hording real estate is not the most spiritual path that a person can take, when done with a reasonable application of character it can be at least as moral as Microsoft.

I think it is worse to speculate on paper gains which will be attached to some misery index somewhere and especially with the definite purpose of avoiding any real work or service to anyone.

I think you just have a quirky attitude about speculation in real estate for whatever reason.
It wouldn’t be quirky though if you were an acetic of some kind but that doesn’t seem to be the case.

[NotCranky]

[quote=CA renter][quote=UCGal]I think you need to differentiate between flippers and people purchasing to rent them out.

Flippers buy, spend some money to theoretically raise the sales price, and sell – in a short time frame. They don’t plan to hold the house, their business model is get-in-and-get-out.

Landlords buy with a different criteria – they look at cash flow vs expenses.

What seems to be the underlying issue isn’t whether they are flippers or landlords – it’s that these houses are being bought by people other than you.

My only advice – keep saving. Keep looking for opportunity to purchase a good value. If you keep getting outbid – perhaps you can’t afford the house. Or perhaps the person who bought paid too much. Either way – consider it a dodged bullet… You don’t want to be in a house that stretches you too much. You don’t want to overpay.

Being resentful to people who see opportunity and take it isn’t going to change the system… just give you a headache or ulcer. Life’s too short to give yourself self induced stress.[/quote]

IMHO, speculation is fine when that speculation doesn’t adversely affect people who have no control over these markets, yet need the goods/services from these markets in order to survive.

The difference between acceptable speculation and unacceptable speculation depends on whether or not the speculation involves a want or a need. Want to buy a billion dollars worth of MSFT stock (either for the dividend or capital appreciation)? Great! Want to speculate on whether or not the Giants win? Super! Gold, copper, Intel stocks, corporate bonds, etc. are all open for speculation, and I couldn’t care less if people make or lose money there (as long as they don’t ask me to cover their losses)

Want to speculate on the price of water, clean air, oil, housing, food, or other basic necessities? I have a problem with that.

Just MHO — it’s the socialist in me. ;)[/quote]

The logical conclusion then is to abolish private property, isn’t it? As long as there is private property there will be some people excluded … or are you going to have some extreme open door policy and be a different kind of property owner?

On the other hand, that Msft stock is going to go up or tank based on speculation by management on real estate,acquiring and utilizing finite natural resources, energy use,human capital, and a host of other things you think should be off limits.You are just speculating that other NON-SOCIAlIST speculators will do well for you. Microsoft is also non-discriminatory as to where their product is used. I am sure many cluster bomb factories get great deals on Microsoft products. While I don’t mind entertaining the idea that hording real estate is not the most spiritual path that a person can take, when done with a reasonable application of character it can be at least as moral as Microsoft.

I think it is worse to speculate on paper gains which will be attached to some misery index somewhere and especially with the definite purpose of avoiding any real work or service to anyone.

I think you just have a quirky attitude about speculation in real estate for whatever reason.
It wouldn’t be quirky though if you were an acetic of some kind but that doesn’t seem to be the case.

[CA renter]

Not sure what you mean by your last two paragraphs???

Anyway, my personal belief is that basic necessities should not be controlled by a handful of people — whether it’s real estate, water rights, medicine, food, clean air, etc. Private property is fine, but control of finite resources leads to problems with monopolies and manipulative speculation which can cause great injury to many people who are powerless to do anything about it.

I personally prefer finite basic resources that constitute basic necessities either be owned/controlled by a democratic government or heavily regulated by the government. Yes, this includes real estate — a nation’s most precious finite resource, IMHO.

[CA renter]

Not sure what you mean by your last two paragraphs???

Anyway, my personal belief is that basic necessities should not be controlled by a handful of people — whether it’s real estate, water rights, medicine, food, clean air, etc. Private property is fine, but control of finite resources leads to problems with monopolies and manipulative speculation which can cause great injury to many people who are powerless to do anything about it.

I personally prefer finite basic resources that constitute basic necessities either be owned/controlled by a democratic government or heavily regulated by the government. Yes, this includes real estate — a nation’s most precious finite resource, IMHO.

[CA renter]

Not sure what you mean by your last two paragraphs???

Anyway, my personal belief is that basic necessities should not be controlled by a handful of people — whether it’s real estate, water rights, medicine, food, clean air, etc. Private property is fine, but control of finite resources leads to problems with monopolies and manipulative speculation which can cause great injury to many people who are powerless to do anything about it.

I personally prefer finite basic resources that constitute basic necessities either be owned/controlled by a democratic government or heavily regulated by the government. Yes, this includes real estate — a nation’s most precious finite resource, IMHO.

[CA renter]

Not sure what you mean by your last two paragraphs???

Anyway, my personal belief is that basic necessities should not be controlled by a handful of people — whether it’s real estate, water rights, medicine, food, clean air, etc. Private property is fine, but control of finite resources leads to problems with monopolies and manipulative speculation which can cause great injury to many people who are powerless to do anything about it.

I personally prefer finite basic resources that constitute basic necessities either be owned/controlled by a democratic government or heavily regulated by the government. Yes, this includes real estate — a nation’s most precious finite resource, IMHO.

[CA renter]

Not sure what you mean by your last two paragraphs???

Anyway, my personal belief is that basic necessities should not be controlled by a handful of people — whether it’s real estate, water rights, medicine, food, clean air, etc. Private property is fine, but control of finite resources leads to problems with monopolies and manipulative speculation which can cause great injury to many people who are powerless to do anything about it.

I personally prefer finite basic resources that constitute basic necessities either be owned/controlled by a democratic government or heavily regulated by the government. Yes, this includes real estate — a nation’s most precious finite resource, IMHO.

[an]

Since when is RE finite? Have you’ve been to places like Fresno? The are flat developable land everywhere. Btw, owning RE is not a necessity. It’s a luxury. People can rent.

[an]

Since when is RE finite? Have you’ve been to places like Fresno? The are flat developable land everywhere. Btw, owning RE is not a necessity. It’s a luxury. People can rent.

[an]

Since when is RE finite? Have you’ve been to places like Fresno? The are flat developable land everywhere. Btw, owning RE is not a necessity. It’s a luxury. People can rent.

[an]

Since when is RE finite? Have you’ve been to places like Fresno? The are flat developable land everywhere. Btw, owning RE is not a necessity. It’s a luxury. People can rent.

[Author]

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