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April 19, 2008 at 5:53 PM #190613April 19, 2008 at 5:53 PM #190661nostradamusParticipant
Hi CA Renter,
I like your posts and they show some real thought. The front-loaded/back-loaded trading of life’s best assets was very well put.
About Spitzer, I don’t know the whole story but the fact that he betrayed an accomplished woman for a call-girl smacks of sexual frustration to me. This is pure speculation, but his wife’s “Southern Babtist” upbringing might indicate a certain amount of conservativeness in life. Perhaps he was so worried about his public image or was so distrustful of his wife that he wouldn’t indulge in his sexual desires with her, so sought them elsewhere (and didn’t plan on getting caught). It might be hard to portray a decent, upright persona to the public while still being a man with all kinds of kinky desires he just couldn’t indulge with the churchy missus. It does look like he shouldn’t have gotten married but priorities in life are a moving target.
As I said this is all speculation and nobody but the Spitzers know the whole story. Some mainstream media monkeys or boob-tube-educated idiots might rush to call him slime, but they of course want to see it their way. There are two sides to every story, not just “the man is always wrong”. Give me the whole, inside story from the day Spitzer met his wife to the day they got divorced, then we can say who is wrong.
I have heard it hinted here or flat-out stated that some women believe it is acceptable to hold out on sex in order to get something they want from a man. If this is acceptable, then so too should the act of men seeking sex elsewhere. I think if society cares so much about sex scandals they should only vote for asexual leaders.
IMO today’s approach to sex and marriage and family are an abomination of nature. I guess it was a trade-off when we got those higher reasoning brains… they came with all kinds of psychoses. For the record, Spitzer did not leave his wife. He seems to have wanted the best of both worlds.
April 19, 2008 at 5:55 PM #190552nostradamusParticipantJasper, I saw that you were misquoted… No worries, I got what you meant not what was misconstrued. Of course the wisdom thang still stands.
April 19, 2008 at 5:55 PM #190575nostradamusParticipantJasper, I saw that you were misquoted… No worries, I got what you meant not what was misconstrued. Of course the wisdom thang still stands.
April 19, 2008 at 5:55 PM #190604nostradamusParticipantJasper, I saw that you were misquoted… No worries, I got what you meant not what was misconstrued. Of course the wisdom thang still stands.
April 19, 2008 at 5:55 PM #190618nostradamusParticipantJasper, I saw that you were misquoted… No worries, I got what you meant not what was misconstrued. Of course the wisdom thang still stands.
April 19, 2008 at 5:55 PM #190666nostradamusParticipantJasper, I saw that you were misquoted… No worries, I got what you meant not what was misconstrued. Of course the wisdom thang still stands.
April 19, 2008 at 6:10 PM #190557AnonymousGuestYes, we don’t know what happened with Spitzer, but even if his wife turned him down cold for sex every single night of their marriage, it is unacceptable for him to have condomless sex with a hooker thus risking his wife’s very life.
IMO today’s approach to sex and marriage and family are an abomination of nature. I guess it was a trade-off when we got those higher reasoning brains… they came with all kinds of psychoses. For the record, Spitzer did not leave his wife. He seems to have wanted the best of both worlds.
Your first sentence begs an explanation. No, Spitzer didn’t leave his wife. She should have left him.
There is another consideration here, Spitzer may have a sex addiction. Even then, no excuse for the unprotected sex with ANYONE without his wife’s knowledge.
Also, Nostradamus, I see you have dodged my question. I’ll repeat: If there is a divorce and Mrs. Spitzer requests alimony and half of the assets, does that make her a victim?
April 19, 2008 at 6:10 PM #190580AnonymousGuestYes, we don’t know what happened with Spitzer, but even if his wife turned him down cold for sex every single night of their marriage, it is unacceptable for him to have condomless sex with a hooker thus risking his wife’s very life.
IMO today’s approach to sex and marriage and family are an abomination of nature. I guess it was a trade-off when we got those higher reasoning brains… they came with all kinds of psychoses. For the record, Spitzer did not leave his wife. He seems to have wanted the best of both worlds.
Your first sentence begs an explanation. No, Spitzer didn’t leave his wife. She should have left him.
There is another consideration here, Spitzer may have a sex addiction. Even then, no excuse for the unprotected sex with ANYONE without his wife’s knowledge.
Also, Nostradamus, I see you have dodged my question. I’ll repeat: If there is a divorce and Mrs. Spitzer requests alimony and half of the assets, does that make her a victim?
April 19, 2008 at 6:10 PM #190609AnonymousGuestYes, we don’t know what happened with Spitzer, but even if his wife turned him down cold for sex every single night of their marriage, it is unacceptable for him to have condomless sex with a hooker thus risking his wife’s very life.
IMO today’s approach to sex and marriage and family are an abomination of nature. I guess it was a trade-off when we got those higher reasoning brains… they came with all kinds of psychoses. For the record, Spitzer did not leave his wife. He seems to have wanted the best of both worlds.
Your first sentence begs an explanation. No, Spitzer didn’t leave his wife. She should have left him.
There is another consideration here, Spitzer may have a sex addiction. Even then, no excuse for the unprotected sex with ANYONE without his wife’s knowledge.
Also, Nostradamus, I see you have dodged my question. I’ll repeat: If there is a divorce and Mrs. Spitzer requests alimony and half of the assets, does that make her a victim?
April 19, 2008 at 6:10 PM #190623AnonymousGuestYes, we don’t know what happened with Spitzer, but even if his wife turned him down cold for sex every single night of their marriage, it is unacceptable for him to have condomless sex with a hooker thus risking his wife’s very life.
IMO today’s approach to sex and marriage and family are an abomination of nature. I guess it was a trade-off when we got those higher reasoning brains… they came with all kinds of psychoses. For the record, Spitzer did not leave his wife. He seems to have wanted the best of both worlds.
Your first sentence begs an explanation. No, Spitzer didn’t leave his wife. She should have left him.
There is another consideration here, Spitzer may have a sex addiction. Even then, no excuse for the unprotected sex with ANYONE without his wife’s knowledge.
Also, Nostradamus, I see you have dodged my question. I’ll repeat: If there is a divorce and Mrs. Spitzer requests alimony and half of the assets, does that make her a victim?
April 19, 2008 at 6:10 PM #190671AnonymousGuestYes, we don’t know what happened with Spitzer, but even if his wife turned him down cold for sex every single night of their marriage, it is unacceptable for him to have condomless sex with a hooker thus risking his wife’s very life.
IMO today’s approach to sex and marriage and family are an abomination of nature. I guess it was a trade-off when we got those higher reasoning brains… they came with all kinds of psychoses. For the record, Spitzer did not leave his wife. He seems to have wanted the best of both worlds.
Your first sentence begs an explanation. No, Spitzer didn’t leave his wife. She should have left him.
There is another consideration here, Spitzer may have a sex addiction. Even then, no excuse for the unprotected sex with ANYONE without his wife’s knowledge.
Also, Nostradamus, I see you have dodged my question. I’ll repeat: If there is a divorce and Mrs. Spitzer requests alimony and half of the assets, does that make her a victim?
April 19, 2008 at 7:05 PM #190582StradivariusParticipantI have heard it hinted here or flat-out stated that some women believe it is acceptable to hold out on sex in order to get something they want from a man.
This was one of the things that my husband and I decided to never do. We in fact live primarily by two rules:
1. Never withhold sex for any reason, no matter how angry you are at your spouse. (If I hold out on sex, I'm seriously punishing myself, too. We don't think this should ever be a ploy in getting what you want).
2. Don't have sex with someone of the opposite sex. (I am apparently allowed to sleep with as many women as I want).
In college I dated someone who was probably insecure. He didn't like me hanging out with my male friends and tried to stop me from going out sometimes. I thought this was ridiculous, especially since I wasn't interested in more than friendship with those guys, and also none of my girlfriends wanted to go to the bar to watch NBA and NHL playoffs simultaneously. Well, that relationship ended and I decided I was never going to impose stupid restrictions on anybody and I didn't want any imposed on me.
So when I started dating my husband, I never told him he couldn't hang out with the guys or look at other women. He thinks Zhang Ziyi and Beyonce are really hot. Well, they ARE hot. If I were a straight man I would find pictures of them on the internet, too. I don't think that's any different than me checking out guys at the gym. It doesn't make me love my husband any less, so I have to assume that if he goes to a bachelor party he's going to check out some strippers and still love me just the same.
I'm sure it isn't the same for everybody, but we both need time away from each other just as much as we need time to spend together, and this mutual trust and freedom works for us. If he is out with the guys, it gives me time to go to the gym or do my nails. If I'm at the mall, he has time to play Dungeons and Dragons Online with his brother. And then we'll watch the Flyers game together. Well, tonight we're going to see Forbidden Kingdom. You can't go wrong with a movie that has Jackie Chan AND Jet Li in it.
Everyone have a terrific evening.
-S
April 19, 2008 at 7:05 PM #190605StradivariusParticipantI have heard it hinted here or flat-out stated that some women believe it is acceptable to hold out on sex in order to get something they want from a man.
This was one of the things that my husband and I decided to never do. We in fact live primarily by two rules:
1. Never withhold sex for any reason, no matter how angry you are at your spouse. (If I hold out on sex, I'm seriously punishing myself, too. We don't think this should ever be a ploy in getting what you want).
2. Don't have sex with someone of the opposite sex. (I am apparently allowed to sleep with as many women as I want).
In college I dated someone who was probably insecure. He didn't like me hanging out with my male friends and tried to stop me from going out sometimes. I thought this was ridiculous, especially since I wasn't interested in more than friendship with those guys, and also none of my girlfriends wanted to go to the bar to watch NBA and NHL playoffs simultaneously. Well, that relationship ended and I decided I was never going to impose stupid restrictions on anybody and I didn't want any imposed on me.
So when I started dating my husband, I never told him he couldn't hang out with the guys or look at other women. He thinks Zhang Ziyi and Beyonce are really hot. Well, they ARE hot. If I were a straight man I would find pictures of them on the internet, too. I don't think that's any different than me checking out guys at the gym. It doesn't make me love my husband any less, so I have to assume that if he goes to a bachelor party he's going to check out some strippers and still love me just the same.
I'm sure it isn't the same for everybody, but we both need time away from each other just as much as we need time to spend together, and this mutual trust and freedom works for us. If he is out with the guys, it gives me time to go to the gym or do my nails. If I'm at the mall, he has time to play Dungeons and Dragons Online with his brother. And then we'll watch the Flyers game together. Well, tonight we're going to see Forbidden Kingdom. You can't go wrong with a movie that has Jackie Chan AND Jet Li in it.
Everyone have a terrific evening.
-S
April 19, 2008 at 7:05 PM #190635StradivariusParticipantI have heard it hinted here or flat-out stated that some women believe it is acceptable to hold out on sex in order to get something they want from a man.
This was one of the things that my husband and I decided to never do. We in fact live primarily by two rules:
1. Never withhold sex for any reason, no matter how angry you are at your spouse. (If I hold out on sex, I'm seriously punishing myself, too. We don't think this should ever be a ploy in getting what you want).
2. Don't have sex with someone of the opposite sex. (I am apparently allowed to sleep with as many women as I want).
In college I dated someone who was probably insecure. He didn't like me hanging out with my male friends and tried to stop me from going out sometimes. I thought this was ridiculous, especially since I wasn't interested in more than friendship with those guys, and also none of my girlfriends wanted to go to the bar to watch NBA and NHL playoffs simultaneously. Well, that relationship ended and I decided I was never going to impose stupid restrictions on anybody and I didn't want any imposed on me.
So when I started dating my husband, I never told him he couldn't hang out with the guys or look at other women. He thinks Zhang Ziyi and Beyonce are really hot. Well, they ARE hot. If I were a straight man I would find pictures of them on the internet, too. I don't think that's any different than me checking out guys at the gym. It doesn't make me love my husband any less, so I have to assume that if he goes to a bachelor party he's going to check out some strippers and still love me just the same.
I'm sure it isn't the same for everybody, but we both need time away from each other just as much as we need time to spend together, and this mutual trust and freedom works for us. If he is out with the guys, it gives me time to go to the gym or do my nails. If I'm at the mall, he has time to play Dungeons and Dragons Online with his brother. And then we'll watch the Flyers game together. Well, tonight we're going to see Forbidden Kingdom. You can't go wrong with a movie that has Jackie Chan AND Jet Li in it.
Everyone have a terrific evening.
-S
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