$7 gasoline in the near future???

[Coronita]

[quote] Good post Cooper. I find it funny that both AN and FLU claim to be conservatives, and yet they both seem to want government to step in an “fix” the price of oil.

They can’t seem to make up their mind. They each want the freedom to drive huge land yachts and fly up to the Bay area whenever fancy strikes them but they don’t want to pay for it. Kind of like the Iraq War – they each want some other generation of taxpayers to pay for it even though a President they each voted for started it.

As for me, I talk the talk, but I also walk the walk. I probably have a smaller carbon foot print than 80% to 90% of the population. I drive a very fuel efficient car, I live close to where I work, I rent a modest place, and I only fly if my job requires it (which happens very rarely.)

If everyone lived like me, gas would probably still be around $2/gallon. Meanwhile, FLU and AN are probably driving land yachts and flying around the country every weekend and then they want to try and blame me for fuel prices increasing. Like most faux conservatives, they are the epitomy of hypocrisy.

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Nope. Wrong again. I’m totally supportive of government not intervening. I’m against more drilling, and frankly, if I were to choose between the two, I’d prefer anarchist capitalism versus socialism.

That said, I don’t wish for $150/barrel, because like I said it’s pretty naive to thing it’s not somehow not going to impact you. But what I wish or what you wish frankly is irrelevant, because neither you our I control the markets, nor am I really supportive of any type of intervention, such as some dumb as proposal to have a tax on oil companies for being overly profitable, nor shall we have a summer relief on federal/state tax for fuel.

As far as high gas prices. Well, again, not everyone is created equal. Not everyone is entitled to afford to drive “land-yachts”. And if $10/gal gas hits not everyone is entitled to drive anything/everything. It’s all in perspective of one’s financial means.
I’m merely pointing out a measly engineer’s salary and engineer’s job isn’t exactly the income that one can boast “I’m going ot be immune for bigtime fuel hikes”.

But like I said, please keep the shithole you’re going to be in a lot sooner than others nice and warm for the rest of us, because again, looking at a shithole will definitely make you feel differently than once you’re in one.

Btw: you might get 50mpg in your prius, but I recall you live in CV and work in downtown. I might get 20mpg (24 if I really really drive like a pansy), but I drive 5 miles to work every day I don’t telecommute. And my sig other doesn’t even take the freeway and has a 10 min commute. So, again, let’s see who’s really gonna hurt with $7/gal or even $10/gal gas.

[no_such_reality]

[quote=fat_lazy_union_worker] Btw: you might get 50mpg in your prius, but I recall you live in CV and work in downtown. I might get 20mpg (24 if I really really drive like a pansy), but I drive 5 miles to work every day I don’t telecommute. And my sig other doesn’t even take the freeway and has a 10 min commute. So, again, let’s see who’s really gonna hurt with $7/gal or even $10/gal gas.
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The commute won’t get you, it’ll be the $10/gal milk, $9 loaf of bread, and $10/lb beef, chicken and pork and 20% price in everything at Walmart, CostCo and Target that will get you.

My primary complaint is that people claiming a needed change. Global warming is about making money. The climate may be warming but the determination of the cause and the effects, is purely political.

[no_such_reality]

[quote=fat_lazy_union_worker] Btw: you might get 50mpg in your prius, but I recall you live in CV and work in downtown. I might get 20mpg (24 if I really really drive like a pansy), but I drive 5 miles to work every day I don’t telecommute. And my sig other doesn’t even take the freeway and has a 10 min commute. So, again, let’s see who’s really gonna hurt with $7/gal or even $10/gal gas.
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The commute won’t get you, it’ll be the $10/gal milk, $9 loaf of bread, and $10/lb beef, chicken and pork and 20% price in everything at Walmart, CostCo and Target that will get you.

My primary complaint is that people claiming a needed change. Global warming is about making money. The climate may be warming but the determination of the cause and the effects, is purely political.

[no_such_reality]

[quote=fat_lazy_union_worker] Btw: you might get 50mpg in your prius, but I recall you live in CV and work in downtown. I might get 20mpg (24 if I really really drive like a pansy), but I drive 5 miles to work every day I don’t telecommute. And my sig other doesn’t even take the freeway and has a 10 min commute. So, again, let’s see who’s really gonna hurt with $7/gal or even $10/gal gas.
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The commute won’t get you, it’ll be the $10/gal milk, $9 loaf of bread, and $10/lb beef, chicken and pork and 20% price in everything at Walmart, CostCo and Target that will get you.

My primary complaint is that people claiming a needed change. Global warming is about making money. The climate may be warming but the determination of the cause and the effects, is purely political.

[no_such_reality]

[quote=fat_lazy_union_worker] Btw: you might get 50mpg in your prius, but I recall you live in CV and work in downtown. I might get 20mpg (24 if I really really drive like a pansy), but I drive 5 miles to work every day I don’t telecommute. And my sig other doesn’t even take the freeway and has a 10 min commute. So, again, let’s see who’s really gonna hurt with $7/gal or even $10/gal gas.
[/quote]

The commute won’t get you, it’ll be the $10/gal milk, $9 loaf of bread, and $10/lb beef, chicken and pork and 20% price in everything at Walmart, CostCo and Target that will get you.

My primary complaint is that people claiming a needed change. Global warming is about making money. The climate may be warming but the determination of the cause and the effects, is purely political.

[no_such_reality]

[quote=fat_lazy_union_worker] Btw: you might get 50mpg in your prius, but I recall you live in CV and work in downtown. I might get 20mpg (24 if I really really drive like a pansy), but I drive 5 miles to work every day I don’t telecommute. And my sig other doesn’t even take the freeway and has a 10 min commute. So, again, let’s see who’s really gonna hurt with $7/gal or even $10/gal gas.
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The commute won’t get you, it’ll be the $10/gal milk, $9 loaf of bread, and $10/lb beef, chicken and pork and 20% price in everything at Walmart, CostCo and Target that will get you.

My primary complaint is that people claiming a needed change. Global warming is about making money. The climate may be warming but the determination of the cause and the effects, is purely political.

[Arraya]

The commute won’t get you, it’ll be the $10/gal milk, $9 loaf of bread, and $10/lb beef, chicken and pork and 20% price in everything at Walmart, CostCo and Target that will get you.

And what do you think causes high food prices. It’s the oil stupid. 10 fossil fuel calories to create 1 food calorie. For all intents and purposes fossil fuels are food. From the natural gas for fertilizer to mechanized farming.

Peak oil is a reality that is happening now. Production growth stopped 4 years ago at around 85 million bbl per day. Historically this is anomaly. The amount of exports available had been decreasing for 3 years. So what is driving the price is oil importers bidding up declining net exports. Guess what oil is very inelastic. Go figure.

In the very near future we will fall of the plateau and go into terminal decline world wide. This is not rocket science it is just the way oil wells work. They peak and decline, now we are at the point in which the aggregate of all oil wells will start to decline.

Obviously, this will drive the price to a point where you mine as well shut off the economy.

Global warming is irrelevant at this point. Geology will regulate carbon emissions just fine. The whole worlds begging for lower oil prices now. Nobody cares about GW anymore. So don’t you worry.

If you are looking for a conspiracy ask yourself why this point in time has been kept off the radar. It was studied by the gov. in the 50s, 70s and 2005 google “hirsh report”. They all pointed to a peak between 2005-2012.

[Arraya]

The commute won’t get you, it’ll be the $10/gal milk, $9 loaf of bread, and $10/lb beef, chicken and pork and 20% price in everything at Walmart, CostCo and Target that will get you.

And what do you think causes high food prices. It’s the oil stupid. 10 fossil fuel calories to create 1 food calorie. For all intents and purposes fossil fuels are food. From the natural gas for fertilizer to mechanized farming.

Peak oil is a reality that is happening now. Production growth stopped 4 years ago at around 85 million bbl per day. Historically this is anomaly. The amount of exports available had been decreasing for 3 years. So what is driving the price is oil importers bidding up declining net exports. Guess what oil is very inelastic. Go figure.

In the very near future we will fall of the plateau and go into terminal decline world wide. This is not rocket science it is just the way oil wells work. They peak and decline, now we are at the point in which the aggregate of all oil wells will start to decline.

Obviously, this will drive the price to a point where you mine as well shut off the economy.

Global warming is irrelevant at this point. Geology will regulate carbon emissions just fine. The whole worlds begging for lower oil prices now. Nobody cares about GW anymore. So don’t you worry.

If you are looking for a conspiracy ask yourself why this point in time has been kept off the radar. It was studied by the gov. in the 50s, 70s and 2005 google “hirsh report”. They all pointed to a peak between 2005-2012.

[Arraya]

The commute won’t get you, it’ll be the $10/gal milk, $9 loaf of bread, and $10/lb beef, chicken and pork and 20% price in everything at Walmart, CostCo and Target that will get you.

And what do you think causes high food prices. It’s the oil stupid. 10 fossil fuel calories to create 1 food calorie. For all intents and purposes fossil fuels are food. From the natural gas for fertilizer to mechanized farming.

Peak oil is a reality that is happening now. Production growth stopped 4 years ago at around 85 million bbl per day. Historically this is anomaly. The amount of exports available had been decreasing for 3 years. So what is driving the price is oil importers bidding up declining net exports. Guess what oil is very inelastic. Go figure.

In the very near future we will fall of the plateau and go into terminal decline world wide. This is not rocket science it is just the way oil wells work. They peak and decline, now we are at the point in which the aggregate of all oil wells will start to decline.

Obviously, this will drive the price to a point where you mine as well shut off the economy.

Global warming is irrelevant at this point. Geology will regulate carbon emissions just fine. The whole worlds begging for lower oil prices now. Nobody cares about GW anymore. So don’t you worry.

If you are looking for a conspiracy ask yourself why this point in time has been kept off the radar. It was studied by the gov. in the 50s, 70s and 2005 google “hirsh report”. They all pointed to a peak between 2005-2012.

[Arraya]

The commute won’t get you, it’ll be the $10/gal milk, $9 loaf of bread, and $10/lb beef, chicken and pork and 20% price in everything at Walmart, CostCo and Target that will get you.

And what do you think causes high food prices. It’s the oil stupid. 10 fossil fuel calories to create 1 food calorie. For all intents and purposes fossil fuels are food. From the natural gas for fertilizer to mechanized farming.

Peak oil is a reality that is happening now. Production growth stopped 4 years ago at around 85 million bbl per day. Historically this is anomaly. The amount of exports available had been decreasing for 3 years. So what is driving the price is oil importers bidding up declining net exports. Guess what oil is very inelastic. Go figure.

In the very near future we will fall of the plateau and go into terminal decline world wide. This is not rocket science it is just the way oil wells work. They peak and decline, now we are at the point in which the aggregate of all oil wells will start to decline.

Obviously, this will drive the price to a point where you mine as well shut off the economy.

Global warming is irrelevant at this point. Geology will regulate carbon emissions just fine. The whole worlds begging for lower oil prices now. Nobody cares about GW anymore. So don’t you worry.

If you are looking for a conspiracy ask yourself why this point in time has been kept off the radar. It was studied by the gov. in the 50s, 70s and 2005 google “hirsh report”. They all pointed to a peak between 2005-2012.

[Arraya]

The commute won’t get you, it’ll be the $10/gal milk, $9 loaf of bread, and $10/lb beef, chicken and pork and 20% price in everything at Walmart, CostCo and Target that will get you.

And what do you think causes high food prices. It’s the oil stupid. 10 fossil fuel calories to create 1 food calorie. For all intents and purposes fossil fuels are food. From the natural gas for fertilizer to mechanized farming.

Peak oil is a reality that is happening now. Production growth stopped 4 years ago at around 85 million bbl per day. Historically this is anomaly. The amount of exports available had been decreasing for 3 years. So what is driving the price is oil importers bidding up declining net exports. Guess what oil is very inelastic. Go figure.

In the very near future we will fall of the plateau and go into terminal decline world wide. This is not rocket science it is just the way oil wells work. They peak and decline, now we are at the point in which the aggregate of all oil wells will start to decline.

Obviously, this will drive the price to a point where you mine as well shut off the economy.

Global warming is irrelevant at this point. Geology will regulate carbon emissions just fine. The whole worlds begging for lower oil prices now. Nobody cares about GW anymore. So don’t you worry.

If you are looking for a conspiracy ask yourself why this point in time has been kept off the radar. It was studied by the gov. in the 50s, 70s and 2005 google “hirsh report”. They all pointed to a peak between 2005-2012.

[Coronita]

no_such_reality and arraya,

I fully agree with both of you, don’t get me wrong. I was just merely pointing out that just because some people dont’ want higher energy costs doesn’t mean that those people feel we should start socializing everything. Also just because some of us are concerned about higher energy cost doesn’t mean also that we’re in worse financial shape than say the Breeze, as he seems to suggest.

I’m trying to understand the thought process, but it’s difficult to. It seems like the suggestion is. “If you’re like me, you’re a winner that will be able to weather this recession. If you’re not like me, you’re probably a loser that isn’t as well off as me.”…Keeping in mind this coming from an enginerd, that again no offense, is no safe profession to be in either…Also having declared he is long in dollar cost average portfolio, and recently spent a hell of lot of money over memorial day weekend, drives an overpriced prius that still won’t recoup fuel savings for the next 7-8 years assuming an annual mileage of 10k/year, and commutes to downtown to work. I’m just trying to understand how one could possibly think one wouldn’t be impacted by this economy.

I’ve got a groundbreaking, earthshattering tip to save on fuel costs. Drive less. It’s probably an unfamilar concept here in CA, but the solution is profoundly astonishing.

[Coronita]

no_such_reality and arraya,

I fully agree with both of you, don’t get me wrong. I was just merely pointing out that just because some people dont’ want higher energy costs doesn’t mean that those people feel we should start socializing everything. Also just because some of us are concerned about higher energy cost doesn’t mean also that we’re in worse financial shape than say the Breeze, as he seems to suggest.

I’m trying to understand the thought process, but it’s difficult to. It seems like the suggestion is. “If you’re like me, you’re a winner that will be able to weather this recession. If you’re not like me, you’re probably a loser that isn’t as well off as me.”…Keeping in mind this coming from an enginerd, that again no offense, is no safe profession to be in either…Also having declared he is long in dollar cost average portfolio, and recently spent a hell of lot of money over memorial day weekend, drives an overpriced prius that still won’t recoup fuel savings for the next 7-8 years assuming an annual mileage of 10k/year, and commutes to downtown to work. I’m just trying to understand how one could possibly think one wouldn’t be impacted by this economy.

I’ve got a groundbreaking, earthshattering tip to save on fuel costs. Drive less. It’s probably an unfamilar concept here in CA, but the solution is profoundly astonishing.

[Coronita]

no_such_reality and arraya,

I fully agree with both of you, don’t get me wrong. I was just merely pointing out that just because some people dont’ want higher energy costs doesn’t mean that those people feel we should start socializing everything. Also just because some of us are concerned about higher energy cost doesn’t mean also that we’re in worse financial shape than say the Breeze, as he seems to suggest.

I’m trying to understand the thought process, but it’s difficult to. It seems like the suggestion is. “If you’re like me, you’re a winner that will be able to weather this recession. If you’re not like me, you’re probably a loser that isn’t as well off as me.”…Keeping in mind this coming from an enginerd, that again no offense, is no safe profession to be in either…Also having declared he is long in dollar cost average portfolio, and recently spent a hell of lot of money over memorial day weekend, drives an overpriced prius that still won’t recoup fuel savings for the next 7-8 years assuming an annual mileage of 10k/year, and commutes to downtown to work. I’m just trying to understand how one could possibly think one wouldn’t be impacted by this economy.

I’ve got a groundbreaking, earthshattering tip to save on fuel costs. Drive less. It’s probably an unfamilar concept here in CA, but the solution is profoundly astonishing.

[Coronita]

no_such_reality and arraya,

I fully agree with both of you, don’t get me wrong. I was just merely pointing out that just because some people dont’ want higher energy costs doesn’t mean that those people feel we should start socializing everything. Also just because some of us are concerned about higher energy cost doesn’t mean also that we’re in worse financial shape than say the Breeze, as he seems to suggest.

I’m trying to understand the thought process, but it’s difficult to. It seems like the suggestion is. “If you’re like me, you’re a winner that will be able to weather this recession. If you’re not like me, you’re probably a loser that isn’t as well off as me.”…Keeping in mind this coming from an enginerd, that again no offense, is no safe profession to be in either…Also having declared he is long in dollar cost average portfolio, and recently spent a hell of lot of money over memorial day weekend, drives an overpriced prius that still won’t recoup fuel savings for the next 7-8 years assuming an annual mileage of 10k/year, and commutes to downtown to work. I’m just trying to understand how one could possibly think one wouldn’t be impacted by this economy.

I’ve got a groundbreaking, earthshattering tip to save on fuel costs. Drive less. It’s probably an unfamilar concept here in CA, but the solution is profoundly astonishing.

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