50% off is the regular price.

[Rt.66]

[quote=jpinpb][quote=Nor-LA-SD-guy]
One thing I would add here is, I think a lot of people on this board keep comparing this bubble to (thinking is like) 1991-1997 .
This bubble is nothing like 1991-1997[/quote]

One major difference in that bubble is we did not require government intervention.
[/quote]

That’s a good illustration. And its not just a little intervention is it? Nope, its massive intervention every few months with little to no effect other than making very rich bankers even richer.

[SDEngineer]

[quote=Rt.66]What’s the housing price to earnings ratio in Detriot right now?

2.5 weeks times earnings? LOL![/quote]

Scarily enough, that’s close.

It’s 2.5 months times earnings right now LOL.

[SDEngineer]

[quote=Rt.66]What’s the housing price to earnings ratio in Detriot right now?

2.5 weeks times earnings? LOL![/quote]

Scarily enough, that’s close.

It’s 2.5 months times earnings right now LOL.

[SDEngineer]

[quote=Rt.66]What’s the housing price to earnings ratio in Detriot right now?

2.5 weeks times earnings? LOL![/quote]

Scarily enough, that’s close.

It’s 2.5 months times earnings right now LOL.

[SDEngineer]

[quote=Rt.66]What’s the housing price to earnings ratio in Detriot right now?

2.5 weeks times earnings? LOL![/quote]

Scarily enough, that’s close.

It’s 2.5 months times earnings right now LOL.

[SDEngineer]

[quote=Rt.66]What’s the housing price to earnings ratio in Detriot right now?

2.5 weeks times earnings? LOL![/quote]

Scarily enough, that’s close.

It’s 2.5 months times earnings right now LOL.

[Rt.66]

[quote=SDEngineer][quote=Rt.66]Sounds like your doing well for yourself. I am sure there are not too many people capable of doing your job and willing to do it for much less.

And I’m sure your company will weather this storm with no need to go looking for someone to do the job for less:)[/quote]

Quite certain of that, yes. Believe me, I’m not making significantly above market rate for my grade. Simply put, there are not enough engineers in the U.S. to do all the jobs they want us to do, and there’s a limit to what kind of engineering jobs you can outsource and still maintain productivity. Anyone they found with a comparable skill set would want about the same pay package.

San Diego has a lot of those kinds of jobs, which is one reason why we did fairly well overall compared to the rest of the U.S. – most tech hubs did, because even though the dot com bust WAS a big bust, engineers are still in demand, and will be for the foreseeable future. The major difference between the dot com era and today is that you aren’t seeing hundreds of millionaire engineers being coined every month via IPO’s. There are still plenty of high paying jobs in the field. Heck, my company has open req’s for engineers in San Diego right now.[/quote]

India is graduating 450,000 engineers each year? Wow, can that be right?

http://machinedesign.com/article/engineering-in-india-1108

Hope your company can’t use google well.

Seriously though, good for you man. I hope your good fortune continues, but surely you can’t think the postition you are in is typical or any indicator to wages going forward into GD2?

[Rt.66]

[quote=SDEngineer][quote=Rt.66]Sounds like your doing well for yourself. I am sure there are not too many people capable of doing your job and willing to do it for much less.

And I’m sure your company will weather this storm with no need to go looking for someone to do the job for less:)[/quote]

Quite certain of that, yes. Believe me, I’m not making significantly above market rate for my grade. Simply put, there are not enough engineers in the U.S. to do all the jobs they want us to do, and there’s a limit to what kind of engineering jobs you can outsource and still maintain productivity. Anyone they found with a comparable skill set would want about the same pay package.

San Diego has a lot of those kinds of jobs, which is one reason why we did fairly well overall compared to the rest of the U.S. – most tech hubs did, because even though the dot com bust WAS a big bust, engineers are still in demand, and will be for the foreseeable future. The major difference between the dot com era and today is that you aren’t seeing hundreds of millionaire engineers being coined every month via IPO’s. There are still plenty of high paying jobs in the field. Heck, my company has open req’s for engineers in San Diego right now.[/quote]

India is graduating 450,000 engineers each year? Wow, can that be right?

http://machinedesign.com/article/engineering-in-india-1108

Hope your company can’t use google well.

Seriously though, good for you man. I hope your good fortune continues, but surely you can’t think the postition you are in is typical or any indicator to wages going forward into GD2?

[Rt.66]

[quote=SDEngineer][quote=Rt.66]Sounds like your doing well for yourself. I am sure there are not too many people capable of doing your job and willing to do it for much less.

And I’m sure your company will weather this storm with no need to go looking for someone to do the job for less:)[/quote]

Quite certain of that, yes. Believe me, I’m not making significantly above market rate for my grade. Simply put, there are not enough engineers in the U.S. to do all the jobs they want us to do, and there’s a limit to what kind of engineering jobs you can outsource and still maintain productivity. Anyone they found with a comparable skill set would want about the same pay package.

San Diego has a lot of those kinds of jobs, which is one reason why we did fairly well overall compared to the rest of the U.S. – most tech hubs did, because even though the dot com bust WAS a big bust, engineers are still in demand, and will be for the foreseeable future. The major difference between the dot com era and today is that you aren’t seeing hundreds of millionaire engineers being coined every month via IPO’s. There are still plenty of high paying jobs in the field. Heck, my company has open req’s for engineers in San Diego right now.[/quote]

India is graduating 450,000 engineers each year? Wow, can that be right?

http://machinedesign.com/article/engineering-in-india-1108

Hope your company can’t use google well.

Seriously though, good for you man. I hope your good fortune continues, but surely you can’t think the postition you are in is typical or any indicator to wages going forward into GD2?

[Rt.66]

[quote=SDEngineer][quote=Rt.66]Sounds like your doing well for yourself. I am sure there are not too many people capable of doing your job and willing to do it for much less.

And I’m sure your company will weather this storm with no need to go looking for someone to do the job for less:)[/quote]

Quite certain of that, yes. Believe me, I’m not making significantly above market rate for my grade. Simply put, there are not enough engineers in the U.S. to do all the jobs they want us to do, and there’s a limit to what kind of engineering jobs you can outsource and still maintain productivity. Anyone they found with a comparable skill set would want about the same pay package.

San Diego has a lot of those kinds of jobs, which is one reason why we did fairly well overall compared to the rest of the U.S. – most tech hubs did, because even though the dot com bust WAS a big bust, engineers are still in demand, and will be for the foreseeable future. The major difference between the dot com era and today is that you aren’t seeing hundreds of millionaire engineers being coined every month via IPO’s. There are still plenty of high paying jobs in the field. Heck, my company has open req’s for engineers in San Diego right now.[/quote]

India is graduating 450,000 engineers each year? Wow, can that be right?

http://machinedesign.com/article/engineering-in-india-1108

Hope your company can’t use google well.

Seriously though, good for you man. I hope your good fortune continues, but surely you can’t think the postition you are in is typical or any indicator to wages going forward into GD2?

[Rt.66]

[quote=SDEngineer][quote=Rt.66]Sounds like your doing well for yourself. I am sure there are not too many people capable of doing your job and willing to do it for much less.

And I’m sure your company will weather this storm with no need to go looking for someone to do the job for less:)[/quote]

Quite certain of that, yes. Believe me, I’m not making significantly above market rate for my grade. Simply put, there are not enough engineers in the U.S. to do all the jobs they want us to do, and there’s a limit to what kind of engineering jobs you can outsource and still maintain productivity. Anyone they found with a comparable skill set would want about the same pay package.

San Diego has a lot of those kinds of jobs, which is one reason why we did fairly well overall compared to the rest of the U.S. – most tech hubs did, because even though the dot com bust WAS a big bust, engineers are still in demand, and will be for the foreseeable future. The major difference between the dot com era and today is that you aren’t seeing hundreds of millionaire engineers being coined every month via IPO’s. There are still plenty of high paying jobs in the field. Heck, my company has open req’s for engineers in San Diego right now.[/quote]

India is graduating 450,000 engineers each year? Wow, can that be right?

http://machinedesign.com/article/engineering-in-india-1108

Hope your company can’t use google well.

Seriously though, good for you man. I hope your good fortune continues, but surely you can’t think the postition you are in is typical or any indicator to wages going forward into GD2?

[Coronita]

[quote=Rt.66]
http://machinedesign.com/article/engineering-in-india-1108

Hope your company can’t use google well.

Seriously though, good for you man. I hope your good fortune continues, but surely you can’t think the postition you are in is typical or any indicator to wages going forward into GD2?
[/quote]

Software geeks like SDEngineer won’t have massive issues wrto foreign competition. Because innovation happens everywhere and the startup cost to run a software business is significantly less than say a auto manufacturer worker or even a hardware engineer or a biotech engineer.

The formula for success in software engineering is not how well your write software, but how creative you can be and how unlazy you are in keeping up to be the top of your field. Getting laidoff is part of life, and that sometimes is a good thing for software geeks, because it’s motivation to hunker down and go find yourself a niche market to play.

Someone who is embedded software geek like SDEngineer could be quickly retrained (self trained via internet reading material) into an application developer that could in spam multiple industries from high tech to government jobs to health care to etc. There might be occasional blip in employment here an there, but until we evolve into biological computational devices, flipping bits 0 and 1’s isn’t going away anytime soon.

Consider this as opposed to an auto worker, who depends on the existence of a factory, a complex product…A auto worker simply does not possess skills that can easily transfer into a small business or home based business, because of all the infrastructure that is needed.

The fact is, working at a big cushy software company, you quickly realize how inefficient big companies become in innovating. This is largely in part because you have a bunch of non-techies often that don’t understand what to do and piss time and money all bullshit. The unique aspect of software, is that since the cost of entry is so low, there isn’t really steep curves to build innovative products/services. That’s why big software companies usually gobble up smaller mom/pop software shops…Because these smaller shops can out innovate a 500 pound pig anyday.

10 years ago, it was non-trivial to stand up an enterprise software business.

These days, cost is not an issue. Hardware/services to do it is completely commoditized. You don’t need to run find a datacenter, hire a bunch of operations folks to man your machines….Heck, for initial prototypes and proof of concepts, you could run everything an virtualized cloud computing hardware…Something like Amazon EC2 http://aws.amazon.com/ec2/ …Some folks I know run small enterprises on EC2.

Part of the reason for america’s issues is until this year, engineering enrollment in universities actually declined. Call it fear of outsourcing, or more so, as some Stanford students were quoted “I’d rather get paid a hell of lot more with an MBA and work on wall street with Real Estate Enterprises”…Ironic…Inside,I kinda can’t help think recently these days “yeah, how do you them mba’s now, byatch?” Engineering enrollment was up this year…Go figure.

[Coronita]

[quote=Rt.66]
http://machinedesign.com/article/engineering-in-india-1108

Hope your company can’t use google well.

Seriously though, good for you man. I hope your good fortune continues, but surely you can’t think the postition you are in is typical or any indicator to wages going forward into GD2?
[/quote]

Software geeks like SDEngineer won’t have massive issues wrto foreign competition. Because innovation happens everywhere and the startup cost to run a software business is significantly less than say a auto manufacturer worker or even a hardware engineer or a biotech engineer.

The formula for success in software engineering is not how well your write software, but how creative you can be and how unlazy you are in keeping up to be the top of your field. Getting laidoff is part of life, and that sometimes is a good thing for software geeks, because it’s motivation to hunker down and go find yourself a niche market to play.

Someone who is embedded software geek like SDEngineer could be quickly retrained (self trained via internet reading material) into an application developer that could in spam multiple industries from high tech to government jobs to health care to etc. There might be occasional blip in employment here an there, but until we evolve into biological computational devices, flipping bits 0 and 1’s isn’t going away anytime soon.

Consider this as opposed to an auto worker, who depends on the existence of a factory, a complex product…A auto worker simply does not possess skills that can easily transfer into a small business or home based business, because of all the infrastructure that is needed.

The fact is, working at a big cushy software company, you quickly realize how inefficient big companies become in innovating. This is largely in part because you have a bunch of non-techies often that don’t understand what to do and piss time and money all bullshit. The unique aspect of software, is that since the cost of entry is so low, there isn’t really steep curves to build innovative products/services. That’s why big software companies usually gobble up smaller mom/pop software shops…Because these smaller shops can out innovate a 500 pound pig anyday.

10 years ago, it was non-trivial to stand up an enterprise software business.

These days, cost is not an issue. Hardware/services to do it is completely commoditized. You don’t need to run find a datacenter, hire a bunch of operations folks to man your machines….Heck, for initial prototypes and proof of concepts, you could run everything an virtualized cloud computing hardware…Something like Amazon EC2 http://aws.amazon.com/ec2/ …Some folks I know run small enterprises on EC2.

Part of the reason for america’s issues is until this year, engineering enrollment in universities actually declined. Call it fear of outsourcing, or more so, as some Stanford students were quoted “I’d rather get paid a hell of lot more with an MBA and work on wall street with Real Estate Enterprises”…Ironic…Inside,I kinda can’t help think recently these days “yeah, how do you them mba’s now, byatch?” Engineering enrollment was up this year…Go figure.

[Coronita]

[quote=Rt.66]
http://machinedesign.com/article/engineering-in-india-1108

Hope your company can’t use google well.

Seriously though, good for you man. I hope your good fortune continues, but surely you can’t think the postition you are in is typical or any indicator to wages going forward into GD2?
[/quote]

Software geeks like SDEngineer won’t have massive issues wrto foreign competition. Because innovation happens everywhere and the startup cost to run a software business is significantly less than say a auto manufacturer worker or even a hardware engineer or a biotech engineer.

The formula for success in software engineering is not how well your write software, but how creative you can be and how unlazy you are in keeping up to be the top of your field. Getting laidoff is part of life, and that sometimes is a good thing for software geeks, because it’s motivation to hunker down and go find yourself a niche market to play.

Someone who is embedded software geek like SDEngineer could be quickly retrained (self trained via internet reading material) into an application developer that could in spam multiple industries from high tech to government jobs to health care to etc. There might be occasional blip in employment here an there, but until we evolve into biological computational devices, flipping bits 0 and 1’s isn’t going away anytime soon.

Consider this as opposed to an auto worker, who depends on the existence of a factory, a complex product…A auto worker simply does not possess skills that can easily transfer into a small business or home based business, because of all the infrastructure that is needed.

The fact is, working at a big cushy software company, you quickly realize how inefficient big companies become in innovating. This is largely in part because you have a bunch of non-techies often that don’t understand what to do and piss time and money all bullshit. The unique aspect of software, is that since the cost of entry is so low, there isn’t really steep curves to build innovative products/services. That’s why big software companies usually gobble up smaller mom/pop software shops…Because these smaller shops can out innovate a 500 pound pig anyday.

10 years ago, it was non-trivial to stand up an enterprise software business.

These days, cost is not an issue. Hardware/services to do it is completely commoditized. You don’t need to run find a datacenter, hire a bunch of operations folks to man your machines….Heck, for initial prototypes and proof of concepts, you could run everything an virtualized cloud computing hardware…Something like Amazon EC2 http://aws.amazon.com/ec2/ …Some folks I know run small enterprises on EC2.

Part of the reason for america’s issues is until this year, engineering enrollment in universities actually declined. Call it fear of outsourcing, or more so, as some Stanford students were quoted “I’d rather get paid a hell of lot more with an MBA and work on wall street with Real Estate Enterprises”…Ironic…Inside,I kinda can’t help think recently these days “yeah, how do you them mba’s now, byatch?” Engineering enrollment was up this year…Go figure.

[Coronita]

[quote=Rt.66]
http://machinedesign.com/article/engineering-in-india-1108

Hope your company can’t use google well.

Seriously though, good for you man. I hope your good fortune continues, but surely you can’t think the postition you are in is typical or any indicator to wages going forward into GD2?
[/quote]

Software geeks like SDEngineer won’t have massive issues wrto foreign competition. Because innovation happens everywhere and the startup cost to run a software business is significantly less than say a auto manufacturer worker or even a hardware engineer or a biotech engineer.

The formula for success in software engineering is not how well your write software, but how creative you can be and how unlazy you are in keeping up to be the top of your field. Getting laidoff is part of life, and that sometimes is a good thing for software geeks, because it’s motivation to hunker down and go find yourself a niche market to play.

Someone who is embedded software geek like SDEngineer could be quickly retrained (self trained via internet reading material) into an application developer that could in spam multiple industries from high tech to government jobs to health care to etc. There might be occasional blip in employment here an there, but until we evolve into biological computational devices, flipping bits 0 and 1’s isn’t going away anytime soon.

Consider this as opposed to an auto worker, who depends on the existence of a factory, a complex product…A auto worker simply does not possess skills that can easily transfer into a small business or home based business, because of all the infrastructure that is needed.

The fact is, working at a big cushy software company, you quickly realize how inefficient big companies become in innovating. This is largely in part because you have a bunch of non-techies often that don’t understand what to do and piss time and money all bullshit. The unique aspect of software, is that since the cost of entry is so low, there isn’t really steep curves to build innovative products/services. That’s why big software companies usually gobble up smaller mom/pop software shops…Because these smaller shops can out innovate a 500 pound pig anyday.

10 years ago, it was non-trivial to stand up an enterprise software business.

These days, cost is not an issue. Hardware/services to do it is completely commoditized. You don’t need to run find a datacenter, hire a bunch of operations folks to man your machines….Heck, for initial prototypes and proof of concepts, you could run everything an virtualized cloud computing hardware…Something like Amazon EC2 http://aws.amazon.com/ec2/ …Some folks I know run small enterprises on EC2.

Part of the reason for america’s issues is until this year, engineering enrollment in universities actually declined. Call it fear of outsourcing, or more so, as some Stanford students were quoted “I’d rather get paid a hell of lot more with an MBA and work on wall street with Real Estate Enterprises”…Ironic…Inside,I kinda can’t help think recently these days “yeah, how do you them mba’s now, byatch?” Engineering enrollment was up this year…Go figure.

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