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February 17, 2011 at 2:00 PM #668648February 17, 2011 at 2:14 PM #667501
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ParticipantWe live in Carmel Valley and have quite a bit of experience (from the parental point of view) on the topic of gifted kids’ education in San Diego. I’ll share my opinions/experience, please take or leave as you choose.
We bought in CV mostly because of the schools. However, when our oldest went to enter kindergarten, we were dismayed to find that there were no “gifted” or “gate” classes. We were told “all of our classes are advanced”. Therefore, we put our kid in private elementary school where he could get a more individualized curriculum. We have been very happy with that decision.
When he was in 2nd grade, he tested in to the “seminar” program in the SD Unified school district (top 1% using a standard pattern-recognition intelligence test). We visited 3 of the seminar classrooms. They have max 20 kids per class (at least they did at that time) and the curriculum did seem more challenging than the standard in the classes we observed in CV, although similar to what he was getting in the private school. However, we ultimately decided that the middle/high school options in SD Unified were not as good as those in CV, so we stayed where we were.
Our son is now in 7th grade, and after K-6th in private school, is attending CV Middle School. This has been an AWESOME experience for him. There is an “honors” curriculum, and the district allows them to test into classes at higher than the usual grade level if the honors level is not enough. But the biggest plus is the extracurricular math and science. There are lots of very motivated parents who run the Math League and the Science Olympiad, and they have a bunch of very smart kids. This peer group (and the mentorship of the parent leaders) has been just wonderful for my kid–I have never seem him so excited and motivated. I can’t imagine that any other school could have this much support for these kids who need that extra mental stimulation. And of course the fact that CVMS consistently places very highly (higher than any other SD middle school) in the math/science middle school competitions statewide is very motivating as well. I am just thrilled–no more need to pay private school tuition, but the best possible situation for my kid.
Couple more comments: Torrey Pines and Canyon Crest are some of the best high schools in the state/nation, and they are both in CV. Also, I have a couple of friends with gifted kids in the Poway school system, and they have been very unhappy with the lack of catering to this demographic.
Anyway, my vote for gifted kids is Carmel Valley by far over 4S ranch.
February 17, 2011 at 2:14 PM #667563ParticipantWe live in Carmel Valley and have quite a bit of experience (from the parental point of view) on the topic of gifted kids’ education in San Diego. I’ll share my opinions/experience, please take or leave as you choose.
We bought in CV mostly because of the schools. However, when our oldest went to enter kindergarten, we were dismayed to find that there were no “gifted” or “gate” classes. We were told “all of our classes are advanced”. Therefore, we put our kid in private elementary school where he could get a more individualized curriculum. We have been very happy with that decision.
When he was in 2nd grade, he tested in to the “seminar” program in the SD Unified school district (top 1% using a standard pattern-recognition intelligence test). We visited 3 of the seminar classrooms. They have max 20 kids per class (at least they did at that time) and the curriculum did seem more challenging than the standard in the classes we observed in CV, although similar to what he was getting in the private school. However, we ultimately decided that the middle/high school options in SD Unified were not as good as those in CV, so we stayed where we were.
Our son is now in 7th grade, and after K-6th in private school, is attending CV Middle School. This has been an AWESOME experience for him. There is an “honors” curriculum, and the district allows them to test into classes at higher than the usual grade level if the honors level is not enough. But the biggest plus is the extracurricular math and science. There are lots of very motivated parents who run the Math League and the Science Olympiad, and they have a bunch of very smart kids. This peer group (and the mentorship of the parent leaders) has been just wonderful for my kid–I have never seem him so excited and motivated. I can’t imagine that any other school could have this much support for these kids who need that extra mental stimulation. And of course the fact that CVMS consistently places very highly (higher than any other SD middle school) in the math/science middle school competitions statewide is very motivating as well. I am just thrilled–no more need to pay private school tuition, but the best possible situation for my kid.
Couple more comments: Torrey Pines and Canyon Crest are some of the best high schools in the state/nation, and they are both in CV. Also, I have a couple of friends with gifted kids in the Poway school system, and they have been very unhappy with the lack of catering to this demographic.
Anyway, my vote for gifted kids is Carmel Valley by far over 4S ranch.
February 17, 2011 at 2:14 PM #668172ParticipantWe live in Carmel Valley and have quite a bit of experience (from the parental point of view) on the topic of gifted kids’ education in San Diego. I’ll share my opinions/experience, please take or leave as you choose.
We bought in CV mostly because of the schools. However, when our oldest went to enter kindergarten, we were dismayed to find that there were no “gifted” or “gate” classes. We were told “all of our classes are advanced”. Therefore, we put our kid in private elementary school where he could get a more individualized curriculum. We have been very happy with that decision.
When he was in 2nd grade, he tested in to the “seminar” program in the SD Unified school district (top 1% using a standard pattern-recognition intelligence test). We visited 3 of the seminar classrooms. They have max 20 kids per class (at least they did at that time) and the curriculum did seem more challenging than the standard in the classes we observed in CV, although similar to what he was getting in the private school. However, we ultimately decided that the middle/high school options in SD Unified were not as good as those in CV, so we stayed where we were.
Our son is now in 7th grade, and after K-6th in private school, is attending CV Middle School. This has been an AWESOME experience for him. There is an “honors” curriculum, and the district allows them to test into classes at higher than the usual grade level if the honors level is not enough. But the biggest plus is the extracurricular math and science. There are lots of very motivated parents who run the Math League and the Science Olympiad, and they have a bunch of very smart kids. This peer group (and the mentorship of the parent leaders) has been just wonderful for my kid–I have never seem him so excited and motivated. I can’t imagine that any other school could have this much support for these kids who need that extra mental stimulation. And of course the fact that CVMS consistently places very highly (higher than any other SD middle school) in the math/science middle school competitions statewide is very motivating as well. I am just thrilled–no more need to pay private school tuition, but the best possible situation for my kid.
Couple more comments: Torrey Pines and Canyon Crest are some of the best high schools in the state/nation, and they are both in CV. Also, I have a couple of friends with gifted kids in the Poway school system, and they have been very unhappy with the lack of catering to this demographic.
Anyway, my vote for gifted kids is Carmel Valley by far over 4S ranch.
February 17, 2011 at 2:14 PM #668310ParticipantWe live in Carmel Valley and have quite a bit of experience (from the parental point of view) on the topic of gifted kids’ education in San Diego. I’ll share my opinions/experience, please take or leave as you choose.
We bought in CV mostly because of the schools. However, when our oldest went to enter kindergarten, we were dismayed to find that there were no “gifted” or “gate” classes. We were told “all of our classes are advanced”. Therefore, we put our kid in private elementary school where he could get a more individualized curriculum. We have been very happy with that decision.
When he was in 2nd grade, he tested in to the “seminar” program in the SD Unified school district (top 1% using a standard pattern-recognition intelligence test). We visited 3 of the seminar classrooms. They have max 20 kids per class (at least they did at that time) and the curriculum did seem more challenging than the standard in the classes we observed in CV, although similar to what he was getting in the private school. However, we ultimately decided that the middle/high school options in SD Unified were not as good as those in CV, so we stayed where we were.
Our son is now in 7th grade, and after K-6th in private school, is attending CV Middle School. This has been an AWESOME experience for him. There is an “honors” curriculum, and the district allows them to test into classes at higher than the usual grade level if the honors level is not enough. But the biggest plus is the extracurricular math and science. There are lots of very motivated parents who run the Math League and the Science Olympiad, and they have a bunch of very smart kids. This peer group (and the mentorship of the parent leaders) has been just wonderful for my kid–I have never seem him so excited and motivated. I can’t imagine that any other school could have this much support for these kids who need that extra mental stimulation. And of course the fact that CVMS consistently places very highly (higher than any other SD middle school) in the math/science middle school competitions statewide is very motivating as well. I am just thrilled–no more need to pay private school tuition, but the best possible situation for my kid.
Couple more comments: Torrey Pines and Canyon Crest are some of the best high schools in the state/nation, and they are both in CV. Also, I have a couple of friends with gifted kids in the Poway school system, and they have been very unhappy with the lack of catering to this demographic.
Anyway, my vote for gifted kids is Carmel Valley by far over 4S ranch.
February 17, 2011 at 2:14 PM #668653ParticipantWe live in Carmel Valley and have quite a bit of experience (from the parental point of view) on the topic of gifted kids’ education in San Diego. I’ll share my opinions/experience, please take or leave as you choose.
We bought in CV mostly because of the schools. However, when our oldest went to enter kindergarten, we were dismayed to find that there were no “gifted” or “gate” classes. We were told “all of our classes are advanced”. Therefore, we put our kid in private elementary school where he could get a more individualized curriculum. We have been very happy with that decision.
When he was in 2nd grade, he tested in to the “seminar” program in the SD Unified school district (top 1% using a standard pattern-recognition intelligence test). We visited 3 of the seminar classrooms. They have max 20 kids per class (at least they did at that time) and the curriculum did seem more challenging than the standard in the classes we observed in CV, although similar to what he was getting in the private school. However, we ultimately decided that the middle/high school options in SD Unified were not as good as those in CV, so we stayed where we were.
Our son is now in 7th grade, and after K-6th in private school, is attending CV Middle School. This has been an AWESOME experience for him. There is an “honors” curriculum, and the district allows them to test into classes at higher than the usual grade level if the honors level is not enough. But the biggest plus is the extracurricular math and science. There are lots of very motivated parents who run the Math League and the Science Olympiad, and they have a bunch of very smart kids. This peer group (and the mentorship of the parent leaders) has been just wonderful for my kid–I have never seem him so excited and motivated. I can’t imagine that any other school could have this much support for these kids who need that extra mental stimulation. And of course the fact that CVMS consistently places very highly (higher than any other SD middle school) in the math/science middle school competitions statewide is very motivating as well. I am just thrilled–no more need to pay private school tuition, but the best possible situation for my kid.
Couple more comments: Torrey Pines and Canyon Crest are some of the best high schools in the state/nation, and they are both in CV. Also, I have a couple of friends with gifted kids in the Poway school system, and they have been very unhappy with the lack of catering to this demographic.
Anyway, my vote for gifted kids is Carmel Valley by far over 4S ranch.
February 17, 2011 at 2:15 PM #667507
CoronitaParticipant[quote=bearishgurl][quote=carli]Wow, since I left the discussion, it’s gotten all the way down the road to thinking about college! . . .[/quote]
Yes, carli, we can’t tell how old the OP’s child(ren) are but are assuming they are in Elem/Middle school. He/she is apparently transferring from out of state and has set his/her sights on 92127, 92129 and 92130 without any regard to other zips which could also be convenient for them. 92127 and 92130 are almost entirely encumbered by Community Facilities Districts making Mello Roos bonds (“MR”) of up to an additional 1.7% of assessed value added to the regular property tax. 92129 is partially encumbered by CFD’s and these MR bonds tend to be lower and closer to payoff there. The bulk of Mello Roos Bonds are used to fund local school district buildings and other infrastructure.
The OP here appears to be heavily considering areas of 92130 which do not guarantee admission to any particular elementary school due to impaction.
Many homebuying Piggs on this site have become fixated on a handful or less of zip codes to house-shop in and do not realize that their kids can get the same programs or even programs not offered in those areas (you mentioned the IB program not being offered in SDUHSD) by shopping elsewhere for a home, NOT within a very expensive CFD.
You must know that college admission is what every student ultimately strives for. ALL CA high schools which are not “alternative schools” have the curriculum in place to prepare a student to satisfy his/her A to G requirements for CA public college entrance purposes. Paying exorbitant MR bonds for a “student experience” at a lower grade-level than 10th or 11th grade (where grades actually DO matter) is simply that, an “experience,” nothing more. Signing up to pay exorbitant MR bonds in 92130 for up to 40 years (on new construction) is over 3 times as long as it takes for a single student to work their way through the public school system! These thousands of extra dollars per year each owner in this “impacted” area send to the county treasurer every year will not even guarantee their children a seat in their local elementary schools! Since these bonds can add up to as much as 150K over their repayment period (in addition to the price of the home), there’s something very wrong with not having a guaranteed attendance for your children within the local schools serving an area which its MR bonds are used to fund local schools, in my book.
The acceptance into one of the colleges of the student’s choice late in their junior year (11th grade) is the culmination for all their hard work at the high school level. This is the entire reason for all students’ hard work in HS.
IMO, paying tens of thousands of extra dollars in the form MR bonds to live within boundaries to obtain a particular elem school or middle school “experience” is not worth the $$ as there are MANY fine elem and middle schools ALL OVER THE COUNTY where MR is not in existence. In addition, a SD County parent can send their HS student to one of seven (renowned for college-prep curriculum) private HS’s in this county for $9K – $20K per year and be done paying for it in four years, as opposed to paying MR for 20, 30 or 40 years.[/quote]
I’d like to comment on
[quote]
The OP here appears to be heavily considering areas of 92130 which do not guarantee admission to any particular elementary school due to impaction.
[/quote]Ok…There is some misinformation about this..
First off: The only issues with 92130 is admissions into Sage Canyon and East Ocean Elementary, because apparently almost everyone in CV think these are the two best schools in this district. Sage added extra classes, and some of the people that were going to Sage ended up spilling over into East Ocean….And previously, when there was some worry about overcrowding in both schools, the spill over would have been into Torrey Hills Elementary if it was necessary (3rd school in the district)….And mainly the reason for these schools problems is the buildup of Pardee homes in the newer Carmel Country Highland areas…
If you measure a school’s performance based on API (I don’t), you can pretty much see that the API scores from the top 3-4 in DMUSD are within the margin of error of probably your kids ability… (If you’re asian, take comfort that the asian kids did about the same at all top 3 ranking schools…999,998,997 respectively…Everyone else pulled down the averages…..I’m kidding…sort of…)
The only case where you might end up into Solana Beach school district elementary school is if you live around el camino real and del mar heights road……That’s because the elementary school “Solana Pacific Elementary School” (which is physically located in the 92130 zip code) belongs to Solana Beach…
Here’s the school, and here’s the map of where it is…
If you look at the scores from that school, the difference between it versus the rest of Del Mar USD elementary schools is neglible.. In fact most of the DMUSD elementarty schools pretty much perform roughly the same give/take a few margin of error values…
Bottom line is, this area has a high concentration of professionals. And as such, you’d expect high concentration of professionals breeds more or less reasonably performing students…Not to mention you have enough parents with enough financial means to be donating to the public schools….(And yes, I’m speaking from experience with others)… That’s not to say that 4S doesn’t, poway doesn’t, etc…But I don’t have the data in those areas, and what parents do/don’t do there.
February 17, 2011 at 2:15 PM #667568CoronitaParticipant[quote=bearishgurl][quote=carli]Wow, since I left the discussion, it’s gotten all the way down the road to thinking about college! . . .[/quote]
Yes, carli, we can’t tell how old the OP’s child(ren) are but are assuming they are in Elem/Middle school. He/she is apparently transferring from out of state and has set his/her sights on 92127, 92129 and 92130 without any regard to other zips which could also be convenient for them. 92127 and 92130 are almost entirely encumbered by Community Facilities Districts making Mello Roos bonds (“MR”) of up to an additional 1.7% of assessed value added to the regular property tax. 92129 is partially encumbered by CFD’s and these MR bonds tend to be lower and closer to payoff there. The bulk of Mello Roos Bonds are used to fund local school district buildings and other infrastructure.
The OP here appears to be heavily considering areas of 92130 which do not guarantee admission to any particular elementary school due to impaction.
Many homebuying Piggs on this site have become fixated on a handful or less of zip codes to house-shop in and do not realize that their kids can get the same programs or even programs not offered in those areas (you mentioned the IB program not being offered in SDUHSD) by shopping elsewhere for a home, NOT within a very expensive CFD.
You must know that college admission is what every student ultimately strives for. ALL CA high schools which are not “alternative schools” have the curriculum in place to prepare a student to satisfy his/her A to G requirements for CA public college entrance purposes. Paying exorbitant MR bonds for a “student experience” at a lower grade-level than 10th or 11th grade (where grades actually DO matter) is simply that, an “experience,” nothing more. Signing up to pay exorbitant MR bonds in 92130 for up to 40 years (on new construction) is over 3 times as long as it takes for a single student to work their way through the public school system! These thousands of extra dollars per year each owner in this “impacted” area send to the county treasurer every year will not even guarantee their children a seat in their local elementary schools! Since these bonds can add up to as much as 150K over their repayment period (in addition to the price of the home), there’s something very wrong with not having a guaranteed attendance for your children within the local schools serving an area which its MR bonds are used to fund local schools, in my book.
The acceptance into one of the colleges of the student’s choice late in their junior year (11th grade) is the culmination for all their hard work at the high school level. This is the entire reason for all students’ hard work in HS.
IMO, paying tens of thousands of extra dollars in the form MR bonds to live within boundaries to obtain a particular elem school or middle school “experience” is not worth the $$ as there are MANY fine elem and middle schools ALL OVER THE COUNTY where MR is not in existence. In addition, a SD County parent can send their HS student to one of seven (renowned for college-prep curriculum) private HS’s in this county for $9K – $20K per year and be done paying for it in four years, as opposed to paying MR for 20, 30 or 40 years.[/quote]
I’d like to comment on
[quote]
The OP here appears to be heavily considering areas of 92130 which do not guarantee admission to any particular elementary school due to impaction.
[/quote]Ok…There is some misinformation about this..
First off: The only issues with 92130 is admissions into Sage Canyon and East Ocean Elementary, because apparently almost everyone in CV think these are the two best schools in this district. Sage added extra classes, and some of the people that were going to Sage ended up spilling over into East Ocean….And previously, when there was some worry about overcrowding in both schools, the spill over would have been into Torrey Hills Elementary if it was necessary (3rd school in the district)….And mainly the reason for these schools problems is the buildup of Pardee homes in the newer Carmel Country Highland areas…
If you measure a school’s performance based on API (I don’t), you can pretty much see that the API scores from the top 3-4 in DMUSD are within the margin of error of probably your kids ability… (If you’re asian, take comfort that the asian kids did about the same at all top 3 ranking schools…999,998,997 respectively…Everyone else pulled down the averages…..I’m kidding…sort of…)
The only case where you might end up into Solana Beach school district elementary school is if you live around el camino real and del mar heights road……That’s because the elementary school “Solana Pacific Elementary School” (which is physically located in the 92130 zip code) belongs to Solana Beach…
Here’s the school, and here’s the map of where it is…
If you look at the scores from that school, the difference between it versus the rest of Del Mar USD elementary schools is neglible.. In fact most of the DMUSD elementarty schools pretty much perform roughly the same give/take a few margin of error values…
Bottom line is, this area has a high concentration of professionals. And as such, you’d expect high concentration of professionals breeds more or less reasonably performing students…Not to mention you have enough parents with enough financial means to be donating to the public schools….(And yes, I’m speaking from experience with others)… That’s not to say that 4S doesn’t, poway doesn’t, etc…But I don’t have the data in those areas, and what parents do/don’t do there.
February 17, 2011 at 2:15 PM #668177CoronitaParticipant[quote=bearishgurl][quote=carli]Wow, since I left the discussion, it’s gotten all the way down the road to thinking about college! . . .[/quote]
Yes, carli, we can’t tell how old the OP’s child(ren) are but are assuming they are in Elem/Middle school. He/she is apparently transferring from out of state and has set his/her sights on 92127, 92129 and 92130 without any regard to other zips which could also be convenient for them. 92127 and 92130 are almost entirely encumbered by Community Facilities Districts making Mello Roos bonds (“MR”) of up to an additional 1.7% of assessed value added to the regular property tax. 92129 is partially encumbered by CFD’s and these MR bonds tend to be lower and closer to payoff there. The bulk of Mello Roos Bonds are used to fund local school district buildings and other infrastructure.
The OP here appears to be heavily considering areas of 92130 which do not guarantee admission to any particular elementary school due to impaction.
Many homebuying Piggs on this site have become fixated on a handful or less of zip codes to house-shop in and do not realize that their kids can get the same programs or even programs not offered in those areas (you mentioned the IB program not being offered in SDUHSD) by shopping elsewhere for a home, NOT within a very expensive CFD.
You must know that college admission is what every student ultimately strives for. ALL CA high schools which are not “alternative schools” have the curriculum in place to prepare a student to satisfy his/her A to G requirements for CA public college entrance purposes. Paying exorbitant MR bonds for a “student experience” at a lower grade-level than 10th or 11th grade (where grades actually DO matter) is simply that, an “experience,” nothing more. Signing up to pay exorbitant MR bonds in 92130 for up to 40 years (on new construction) is over 3 times as long as it takes for a single student to work their way through the public school system! These thousands of extra dollars per year each owner in this “impacted” area send to the county treasurer every year will not even guarantee their children a seat in their local elementary schools! Since these bonds can add up to as much as 150K over their repayment period (in addition to the price of the home), there’s something very wrong with not having a guaranteed attendance for your children within the local schools serving an area which its MR bonds are used to fund local schools, in my book.
The acceptance into one of the colleges of the student’s choice late in their junior year (11th grade) is the culmination for all their hard work at the high school level. This is the entire reason for all students’ hard work in HS.
IMO, paying tens of thousands of extra dollars in the form MR bonds to live within boundaries to obtain a particular elem school or middle school “experience” is not worth the $$ as there are MANY fine elem and middle schools ALL OVER THE COUNTY where MR is not in existence. In addition, a SD County parent can send their HS student to one of seven (renowned for college-prep curriculum) private HS’s in this county for $9K – $20K per year and be done paying for it in four years, as opposed to paying MR for 20, 30 or 40 years.[/quote]
I’d like to comment on
[quote]
The OP here appears to be heavily considering areas of 92130 which do not guarantee admission to any particular elementary school due to impaction.
[/quote]Ok…There is some misinformation about this..
First off: The only issues with 92130 is admissions into Sage Canyon and East Ocean Elementary, because apparently almost everyone in CV think these are the two best schools in this district. Sage added extra classes, and some of the people that were going to Sage ended up spilling over into East Ocean….And previously, when there was some worry about overcrowding in both schools, the spill over would have been into Torrey Hills Elementary if it was necessary (3rd school in the district)….And mainly the reason for these schools problems is the buildup of Pardee homes in the newer Carmel Country Highland areas…
If you measure a school’s performance based on API (I don’t), you can pretty much see that the API scores from the top 3-4 in DMUSD are within the margin of error of probably your kids ability… (If you’re asian, take comfort that the asian kids did about the same at all top 3 ranking schools…999,998,997 respectively…Everyone else pulled down the averages…..I’m kidding…sort of…)
The only case where you might end up into Solana Beach school district elementary school is if you live around el camino real and del mar heights road……That’s because the elementary school “Solana Pacific Elementary School” (which is physically located in the 92130 zip code) belongs to Solana Beach…
Here’s the school, and here’s the map of where it is…
If you look at the scores from that school, the difference between it versus the rest of Del Mar USD elementary schools is neglible.. In fact most of the DMUSD elementarty schools pretty much perform roughly the same give/take a few margin of error values…
Bottom line is, this area has a high concentration of professionals. And as such, you’d expect high concentration of professionals breeds more or less reasonably performing students…Not to mention you have enough parents with enough financial means to be donating to the public schools….(And yes, I’m speaking from experience with others)… That’s not to say that 4S doesn’t, poway doesn’t, etc…But I don’t have the data in those areas, and what parents do/don’t do there.
February 17, 2011 at 2:15 PM #668315CoronitaParticipant[quote=bearishgurl][quote=carli]Wow, since I left the discussion, it’s gotten all the way down the road to thinking about college! . . .[/quote]
Yes, carli, we can’t tell how old the OP’s child(ren) are but are assuming they are in Elem/Middle school. He/she is apparently transferring from out of state and has set his/her sights on 92127, 92129 and 92130 without any regard to other zips which could also be convenient for them. 92127 and 92130 are almost entirely encumbered by Community Facilities Districts making Mello Roos bonds (“MR”) of up to an additional 1.7% of assessed value added to the regular property tax. 92129 is partially encumbered by CFD’s and these MR bonds tend to be lower and closer to payoff there. The bulk of Mello Roos Bonds are used to fund local school district buildings and other infrastructure.
The OP here appears to be heavily considering areas of 92130 which do not guarantee admission to any particular elementary school due to impaction.
Many homebuying Piggs on this site have become fixated on a handful or less of zip codes to house-shop in and do not realize that their kids can get the same programs or even programs not offered in those areas (you mentioned the IB program not being offered in SDUHSD) by shopping elsewhere for a home, NOT within a very expensive CFD.
You must know that college admission is what every student ultimately strives for. ALL CA high schools which are not “alternative schools” have the curriculum in place to prepare a student to satisfy his/her A to G requirements for CA public college entrance purposes. Paying exorbitant MR bonds for a “student experience” at a lower grade-level than 10th or 11th grade (where grades actually DO matter) is simply that, an “experience,” nothing more. Signing up to pay exorbitant MR bonds in 92130 for up to 40 years (on new construction) is over 3 times as long as it takes for a single student to work their way through the public school system! These thousands of extra dollars per year each owner in this “impacted” area send to the county treasurer every year will not even guarantee their children a seat in their local elementary schools! Since these bonds can add up to as much as 150K over their repayment period (in addition to the price of the home), there’s something very wrong with not having a guaranteed attendance for your children within the local schools serving an area which its MR bonds are used to fund local schools, in my book.
The acceptance into one of the colleges of the student’s choice late in their junior year (11th grade) is the culmination for all their hard work at the high school level. This is the entire reason for all students’ hard work in HS.
IMO, paying tens of thousands of extra dollars in the form MR bonds to live within boundaries to obtain a particular elem school or middle school “experience” is not worth the $$ as there are MANY fine elem and middle schools ALL OVER THE COUNTY where MR is not in existence. In addition, a SD County parent can send their HS student to one of seven (renowned for college-prep curriculum) private HS’s in this county for $9K – $20K per year and be done paying for it in four years, as opposed to paying MR for 20, 30 or 40 years.[/quote]
I’d like to comment on
[quote]
The OP here appears to be heavily considering areas of 92130 which do not guarantee admission to any particular elementary school due to impaction.
[/quote]Ok…There is some misinformation about this..
First off: The only issues with 92130 is admissions into Sage Canyon and East Ocean Elementary, because apparently almost everyone in CV think these are the two best schools in this district. Sage added extra classes, and some of the people that were going to Sage ended up spilling over into East Ocean….And previously, when there was some worry about overcrowding in both schools, the spill over would have been into Torrey Hills Elementary if it was necessary (3rd school in the district)….And mainly the reason for these schools problems is the buildup of Pardee homes in the newer Carmel Country Highland areas…
If you measure a school’s performance based on API (I don’t), you can pretty much see that the API scores from the top 3-4 in DMUSD are within the margin of error of probably your kids ability… (If you’re asian, take comfort that the asian kids did about the same at all top 3 ranking schools…999,998,997 respectively…Everyone else pulled down the averages…..I’m kidding…sort of…)
The only case where you might end up into Solana Beach school district elementary school is if you live around el camino real and del mar heights road……That’s because the elementary school “Solana Pacific Elementary School” (which is physically located in the 92130 zip code) belongs to Solana Beach…
Here’s the school, and here’s the map of where it is…
If you look at the scores from that school, the difference between it versus the rest of Del Mar USD elementary schools is neglible.. In fact most of the DMUSD elementarty schools pretty much perform roughly the same give/take a few margin of error values…
Bottom line is, this area has a high concentration of professionals. And as such, you’d expect high concentration of professionals breeds more or less reasonably performing students…Not to mention you have enough parents with enough financial means to be donating to the public schools….(And yes, I’m speaking from experience with others)… That’s not to say that 4S doesn’t, poway doesn’t, etc…But I don’t have the data in those areas, and what parents do/don’t do there.
February 17, 2011 at 2:15 PM #668658CoronitaParticipant[quote=bearishgurl][quote=carli]Wow, since I left the discussion, it’s gotten all the way down the road to thinking about college! . . .[/quote]
Yes, carli, we can’t tell how old the OP’s child(ren) are but are assuming they are in Elem/Middle school. He/she is apparently transferring from out of state and has set his/her sights on 92127, 92129 and 92130 without any regard to other zips which could also be convenient for them. 92127 and 92130 are almost entirely encumbered by Community Facilities Districts making Mello Roos bonds (“MR”) of up to an additional 1.7% of assessed value added to the regular property tax. 92129 is partially encumbered by CFD’s and these MR bonds tend to be lower and closer to payoff there. The bulk of Mello Roos Bonds are used to fund local school district buildings and other infrastructure.
The OP here appears to be heavily considering areas of 92130 which do not guarantee admission to any particular elementary school due to impaction.
Many homebuying Piggs on this site have become fixated on a handful or less of zip codes to house-shop in and do not realize that their kids can get the same programs or even programs not offered in those areas (you mentioned the IB program not being offered in SDUHSD) by shopping elsewhere for a home, NOT within a very expensive CFD.
You must know that college admission is what every student ultimately strives for. ALL CA high schools which are not “alternative schools” have the curriculum in place to prepare a student to satisfy his/her A to G requirements for CA public college entrance purposes. Paying exorbitant MR bonds for a “student experience” at a lower grade-level than 10th or 11th grade (where grades actually DO matter) is simply that, an “experience,” nothing more. Signing up to pay exorbitant MR bonds in 92130 for up to 40 years (on new construction) is over 3 times as long as it takes for a single student to work their way through the public school system! These thousands of extra dollars per year each owner in this “impacted” area send to the county treasurer every year will not even guarantee their children a seat in their local elementary schools! Since these bonds can add up to as much as 150K over their repayment period (in addition to the price of the home), there’s something very wrong with not having a guaranteed attendance for your children within the local schools serving an area which its MR bonds are used to fund local schools, in my book.
The acceptance into one of the colleges of the student’s choice late in their junior year (11th grade) is the culmination for all their hard work at the high school level. This is the entire reason for all students’ hard work in HS.
IMO, paying tens of thousands of extra dollars in the form MR bonds to live within boundaries to obtain a particular elem school or middle school “experience” is not worth the $$ as there are MANY fine elem and middle schools ALL OVER THE COUNTY where MR is not in existence. In addition, a SD County parent can send their HS student to one of seven (renowned for college-prep curriculum) private HS’s in this county for $9K – $20K per year and be done paying for it in four years, as opposed to paying MR for 20, 30 or 40 years.[/quote]
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The OP here appears to be heavily considering areas of 92130 which do not guarantee admission to any particular elementary school due to impaction.
[/quote]Ok…There is some misinformation about this..
First off: The only issues with 92130 is admissions into Sage Canyon and East Ocean Elementary, because apparently almost everyone in CV think these are the two best schools in this district. Sage added extra classes, and some of the people that were going to Sage ended up spilling over into East Ocean….And previously, when there was some worry about overcrowding in both schools, the spill over would have been into Torrey Hills Elementary if it was necessary (3rd school in the district)….And mainly the reason for these schools problems is the buildup of Pardee homes in the newer Carmel Country Highland areas…
If you measure a school’s performance based on API (I don’t), you can pretty much see that the API scores from the top 3-4 in DMUSD are within the margin of error of probably your kids ability… (If you’re asian, take comfort that the asian kids did about the same at all top 3 ranking schools…999,998,997 respectively…Everyone else pulled down the averages…..I’m kidding…sort of…)
The only case where you might end up into Solana Beach school district elementary school is if you live around el camino real and del mar heights road……That’s because the elementary school “Solana Pacific Elementary School” (which is physically located in the 92130 zip code) belongs to Solana Beach…
Here’s the school, and here’s the map of where it is…
If you look at the scores from that school, the difference between it versus the rest of Del Mar USD elementary schools is neglible.. In fact most of the DMUSD elementarty schools pretty much perform roughly the same give/take a few margin of error values…
Bottom line is, this area has a high concentration of professionals. And as such, you’d expect high concentration of professionals breeds more or less reasonably performing students…Not to mention you have enough parents with enough financial means to be donating to the public schools….(And yes, I’m speaking from experience with others)… That’s not to say that 4S doesn’t, poway doesn’t, etc…But I don’t have the data in those areas, and what parents do/don’t do there.
February 17, 2011 at 2:44 PM #667537carli
ParticipantWoah, BG, not sure I understand where you’re coming from on all this so I think I’ll just leave it alone. My point was never to push Carmel Valley (or Mello Roos) on anyone. In fact, I live in a non-Mello Roos area in Del Mar, which is also within the same elementary school district (DMUSD) as Carmel Valley, as you probably know. We live in an older neighborhood where we bought a house built in 1968 and fixed it up. No Mello Roos involved. And, more power to anyone who wants to live in San Diego Unified, or anywhere else for that matter. I’m simply trying to respond to the OP and provide opinions/info based on my experience and am truly not biased towards or against any one neighborhood. It’s such a personal decision, and I don’t understand your frequent insistence on trying to sell one place over another, especially without knowing an individual’s needs or tastes.
Anywho…
A couple of small clarifications to flu’s post: he mentions by name the two most impacted schools in the DMUSD district as Sage Canyon and East Ocean, but the name of the 2nd one is actually Ocean Air, not East Ocean. I know flu knows this and East Ocean is probably close enough, but I just wanted to clarify for the OP, who is probably confused enough already! Also, I think the Solana Beach school district extends much further east from El Camino Real into the 92130 zipcode. I’m pretty sure that, once you get east of I-5 the whole area north of Del Mar Heights Rd all the way up to the end of DM Heights Rd, where Canyon Crest Academy is located, lies within Solana Beach school district (including Pacific Highlands Ranch).
February 17, 2011 at 2:44 PM #667598ParticipantWoah, BG, not sure I understand where you’re coming from on all this so I think I’ll just leave it alone. My point was never to push Carmel Valley (or Mello Roos) on anyone. In fact, I live in a non-Mello Roos area in Del Mar, which is also within the same elementary school district (DMUSD) as Carmel Valley, as you probably know. We live in an older neighborhood where we bought a house built in 1968 and fixed it up. No Mello Roos involved. And, more power to anyone who wants to live in San Diego Unified, or anywhere else for that matter. I’m simply trying to respond to the OP and provide opinions/info based on my experience and am truly not biased towards or against any one neighborhood. It’s such a personal decision, and I don’t understand your frequent insistence on trying to sell one place over another, especially without knowing an individual’s needs or tastes.
Anywho…
A couple of small clarifications to flu’s post: he mentions by name the two most impacted schools in the DMUSD district as Sage Canyon and East Ocean, but the name of the 2nd one is actually Ocean Air, not East Ocean. I know flu knows this and East Ocean is probably close enough, but I just wanted to clarify for the OP, who is probably confused enough already! Also, I think the Solana Beach school district extends much further east from El Camino Real into the 92130 zipcode. I’m pretty sure that, once you get east of I-5 the whole area north of Del Mar Heights Rd all the way up to the end of DM Heights Rd, where Canyon Crest Academy is located, lies within Solana Beach school district (including Pacific Highlands Ranch).
February 17, 2011 at 2:44 PM #668207ParticipantWoah, BG, not sure I understand where you’re coming from on all this so I think I’ll just leave it alone. My point was never to push Carmel Valley (or Mello Roos) on anyone. In fact, I live in a non-Mello Roos area in Del Mar, which is also within the same elementary school district (DMUSD) as Carmel Valley, as you probably know. We live in an older neighborhood where we bought a house built in 1968 and fixed it up. No Mello Roos involved. And, more power to anyone who wants to live in San Diego Unified, or anywhere else for that matter. I’m simply trying to respond to the OP and provide opinions/info based on my experience and am truly not biased towards or against any one neighborhood. It’s such a personal decision, and I don’t understand your frequent insistence on trying to sell one place over another, especially without knowing an individual’s needs or tastes.
Anywho…
A couple of small clarifications to flu’s post: he mentions by name the two most impacted schools in the DMUSD district as Sage Canyon and East Ocean, but the name of the 2nd one is actually Ocean Air, not East Ocean. I know flu knows this and East Ocean is probably close enough, but I just wanted to clarify for the OP, who is probably confused enough already! Also, I think the Solana Beach school district extends much further east from El Camino Real into the 92130 zipcode. I’m pretty sure that, once you get east of I-5 the whole area north of Del Mar Heights Rd all the way up to the end of DM Heights Rd, where Canyon Crest Academy is located, lies within Solana Beach school district (including Pacific Highlands Ranch).
February 17, 2011 at 2:44 PM #668345ParticipantWoah, BG, not sure I understand where you’re coming from on all this so I think I’ll just leave it alone. My point was never to push Carmel Valley (or Mello Roos) on anyone. In fact, I live in a non-Mello Roos area in Del Mar, which is also within the same elementary school district (DMUSD) as Carmel Valley, as you probably know. We live in an older neighborhood where we bought a house built in 1968 and fixed it up. No Mello Roos involved. And, more power to anyone who wants to live in San Diego Unified, or anywhere else for that matter. I’m simply trying to respond to the OP and provide opinions/info based on my experience and am truly not biased towards or against any one neighborhood. It’s such a personal decision, and I don’t understand your frequent insistence on trying to sell one place over another, especially without knowing an individual’s needs or tastes.
Anywho…
A couple of small clarifications to flu’s post: he mentions by name the two most impacted schools in the DMUSD district as Sage Canyon and East Ocean, but the name of the 2nd one is actually Ocean Air, not East Ocean. I know flu knows this and East Ocean is probably close enough, but I just wanted to clarify for the OP, who is probably confused enough already! Also, I think the Solana Beach school district extends much further east from El Camino Real into the 92130 zipcode. I’m pretty sure that, once you get east of I-5 the whole area north of Del Mar Heights Rd all the way up to the end of DM Heights Rd, where Canyon Crest Academy is located, lies within Solana Beach school district (including Pacific Highlands Ranch).
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