20% Unemployment in CA counties

[scaredyclassic]

when i was broke and barely employed, I never worried one minute about money.

now ive got a bit of money and adecent job, I worry about money all the time.

of course i was younger when i was broke. i guess i had other things on my mind

[outtamojo]

[quote=ybitz]Well said, Flu. I see folks at major intersections holding up signs asking for money all the time in Mira Mesa. It always makes me so sad. Here, one of the most affluent cities in the wealthiest country on earth, people are driven to become beggars. I really want to help them out, but I don’t know if giving them money for standing at intersections is the best way. Will they use the money to buy drugs/booze? Can they really not get jobs or does begging money “earn” them more money than working a minimum wage job? Should I just donate money to local soup kitchens? In the end, I don’t do anything. I feel depressed about the state of our society every time I see beggars.[/quote]

Do the homeless tend to migrate to cities with the best weather? I can’t imagine those same folk setting up “shop” in Fargo North Dakota in early March…

[outtamojo]

[quote=ybitz]Well said, Flu. I see folks at major intersections holding up signs asking for money all the time in Mira Mesa. It always makes me so sad. Here, one of the most affluent cities in the wealthiest country on earth, people are driven to become beggars. I really want to help them out, but I don’t know if giving them money for standing at intersections is the best way. Will they use the money to buy drugs/booze? Can they really not get jobs or does begging money “earn” them more money than working a minimum wage job? Should I just donate money to local soup kitchens? In the end, I don’t do anything. I feel depressed about the state of our society every time I see beggars.[/quote]

Do the homeless tend to migrate to cities with the best weather? I can’t imagine those same folk setting up “shop” in Fargo North Dakota in early March…

[outtamojo]

[quote=ybitz]Well said, Flu. I see folks at major intersections holding up signs asking for money all the time in Mira Mesa. It always makes me so sad. Here, one of the most affluent cities in the wealthiest country on earth, people are driven to become beggars. I really want to help them out, but I don’t know if giving them money for standing at intersections is the best way. Will they use the money to buy drugs/booze? Can they really not get jobs or does begging money “earn” them more money than working a minimum wage job? Should I just donate money to local soup kitchens? In the end, I don’t do anything. I feel depressed about the state of our society every time I see beggars.[/quote]

Do the homeless tend to migrate to cities with the best weather? I can’t imagine those same folk setting up “shop” in Fargo North Dakota in early March…

[outtamojo]

[quote=ybitz]Well said, Flu. I see folks at major intersections holding up signs asking for money all the time in Mira Mesa. It always makes me so sad. Here, one of the most affluent cities in the wealthiest country on earth, people are driven to become beggars. I really want to help them out, but I don’t know if giving them money for standing at intersections is the best way. Will they use the money to buy drugs/booze? Can they really not get jobs or does begging money “earn” them more money than working a minimum wage job? Should I just donate money to local soup kitchens? In the end, I don’t do anything. I feel depressed about the state of our society every time I see beggars.[/quote]

Do the homeless tend to migrate to cities with the best weather? I can’t imagine those same folk setting up “shop” in Fargo North Dakota in early March…

[outtamojo]

[quote=ybitz]Well said, Flu. I see folks at major intersections holding up signs asking for money all the time in Mira Mesa. It always makes me so sad. Here, one of the most affluent cities in the wealthiest country on earth, people are driven to become beggars. I really want to help them out, but I don’t know if giving them money for standing at intersections is the best way. Will they use the money to buy drugs/booze? Can they really not get jobs or does begging money “earn” them more money than working a minimum wage job? Should I just donate money to local soup kitchens? In the end, I don’t do anything. I feel depressed about the state of our society every time I see beggars.[/quote]

Do the homeless tend to migrate to cities with the best weather? I can’t imagine those same folk setting up “shop” in Fargo North Dakota in early March…

[CA renter]

[quote=flu]I have a general question..

On this board, I read a lot about folks donating aid to people in other countries. I also see a lot of rant about how the government is stealing money away from main street and how desperate some people are living in conditions similar to the great depression and how the government should do more to help people. And now we read about folks pitching tents in parking lots, some with kids…

Out of curiosity, have anyone considered helping some of these people out?

I’ll admit, I haven’t….Something bothered me on the way home…While I was parked at an intersection, I saw a man with and apparently his little son, holding up signs saying “will work for food”….I didn’t think much of it at the time and just drove through the intersection when the light turned green… But then when I looked back, and saw the boy and his dad(I assume), it really bothered me…See, I would have had no qualms donating money to some girl scout or boy scout event, or buying my kid’s friends birthday present.. But why did I drive through the intersection without doing anything? I wasn’t alone either…I’m just wondering if we have become so indifferent and callous about helping each other in this country out? Is it really every man/woman for himself/herself now?[/quote]

That’s a tough one, FLU.

I used to feel sorry for homeless people, and would give them money (back when I was poor as well). It always upset me to see them a hour later with a bottle of liquor or high on drugs.

This is a subject close to my heart because my sister would float around “homeless” on a number of occasions. It’s not because we wouldn’t take her in and take care of her. She made that choice because she didn’t want to live by our/society’s rules. She wanted to party (drugs and alcohol), and didn’t want anyone telling her what to do. She worked sporadically, and then would stop showing up for days or weeks at a time. When she would return to work, she’d get angry at her employers if they chastised her. So many people tried to help her, but she refused to help herself.

Personally, I think it’s best to donate directly to homeless shelters, food banks, and other organizations that really try to help homeless people get back on their feet. While times are tough for everyone these days, there’s a high probability that any money you give to a homeless person will be used for drugs and alcohol. I just don’t think that solves anything.

I like Father Joe’s Villages:

http://www.fatherjoesvillages.org/

Also good are The Salvation Army and Goodwill.

[CA renter]

[quote=flu]I have a general question..

On this board, I read a lot about folks donating aid to people in other countries. I also see a lot of rant about how the government is stealing money away from main street and how desperate some people are living in conditions similar to the great depression and how the government should do more to help people. And now we read about folks pitching tents in parking lots, some with kids…

Out of curiosity, have anyone considered helping some of these people out?

I’ll admit, I haven’t….Something bothered me on the way home…While I was parked at an intersection, I saw a man with and apparently his little son, holding up signs saying “will work for food”….I didn’t think much of it at the time and just drove through the intersection when the light turned green… But then when I looked back, and saw the boy and his dad(I assume), it really bothered me…See, I would have had no qualms donating money to some girl scout or boy scout event, or buying my kid’s friends birthday present.. But why did I drive through the intersection without doing anything? I wasn’t alone either…I’m just wondering if we have become so indifferent and callous about helping each other in this country out? Is it really every man/woman for himself/herself now?[/quote]

That’s a tough one, FLU.

I used to feel sorry for homeless people, and would give them money (back when I was poor as well). It always upset me to see them a hour later with a bottle of liquor or high on drugs.

This is a subject close to my heart because my sister would float around “homeless” on a number of occasions. It’s not because we wouldn’t take her in and take care of her. She made that choice because she didn’t want to live by our/society’s rules. She wanted to party (drugs and alcohol), and didn’t want anyone telling her what to do. She worked sporadically, and then would stop showing up for days or weeks at a time. When she would return to work, she’d get angry at her employers if they chastised her. So many people tried to help her, but she refused to help herself.

Personally, I think it’s best to donate directly to homeless shelters, food banks, and other organizations that really try to help homeless people get back on their feet. While times are tough for everyone these days, there’s a high probability that any money you give to a homeless person will be used for drugs and alcohol. I just don’t think that solves anything.

I like Father Joe’s Villages:

http://www.fatherjoesvillages.org/

Also good are The Salvation Army and Goodwill.

[CA renter]

[quote=flu]I have a general question..

On this board, I read a lot about folks donating aid to people in other countries. I also see a lot of rant about how the government is stealing money away from main street and how desperate some people are living in conditions similar to the great depression and how the government should do more to help people. And now we read about folks pitching tents in parking lots, some with kids…

Out of curiosity, have anyone considered helping some of these people out?

I’ll admit, I haven’t….Something bothered me on the way home…While I was parked at an intersection, I saw a man with and apparently his little son, holding up signs saying “will work for food”….I didn’t think much of it at the time and just drove through the intersection when the light turned green… But then when I looked back, and saw the boy and his dad(I assume), it really bothered me…See, I would have had no qualms donating money to some girl scout or boy scout event, or buying my kid’s friends birthday present.. But why did I drive through the intersection without doing anything? I wasn’t alone either…I’m just wondering if we have become so indifferent and callous about helping each other in this country out? Is it really every man/woman for himself/herself now?[/quote]

That’s a tough one, FLU.

I used to feel sorry for homeless people, and would give them money (back when I was poor as well). It always upset me to see them a hour later with a bottle of liquor or high on drugs.

This is a subject close to my heart because my sister would float around “homeless” on a number of occasions. It’s not because we wouldn’t take her in and take care of her. She made that choice because she didn’t want to live by our/society’s rules. She wanted to party (drugs and alcohol), and didn’t want anyone telling her what to do. She worked sporadically, and then would stop showing up for days or weeks at a time. When she would return to work, she’d get angry at her employers if they chastised her. So many people tried to help her, but she refused to help herself.

Personally, I think it’s best to donate directly to homeless shelters, food banks, and other organizations that really try to help homeless people get back on their feet. While times are tough for everyone these days, there’s a high probability that any money you give to a homeless person will be used for drugs and alcohol. I just don’t think that solves anything.

I like Father Joe’s Villages:

http://www.fatherjoesvillages.org/

Also good are The Salvation Army and Goodwill.

[CA renter]

[quote=flu]I have a general question..

On this board, I read a lot about folks donating aid to people in other countries. I also see a lot of rant about how the government is stealing money away from main street and how desperate some people are living in conditions similar to the great depression and how the government should do more to help people. And now we read about folks pitching tents in parking lots, some with kids…

Out of curiosity, have anyone considered helping some of these people out?

I’ll admit, I haven’t….Something bothered me on the way home…While I was parked at an intersection, I saw a man with and apparently his little son, holding up signs saying “will work for food”….I didn’t think much of it at the time and just drove through the intersection when the light turned green… But then when I looked back, and saw the boy and his dad(I assume), it really bothered me…See, I would have had no qualms donating money to some girl scout or boy scout event, or buying my kid’s friends birthday present.. But why did I drive through the intersection without doing anything? I wasn’t alone either…I’m just wondering if we have become so indifferent and callous about helping each other in this country out? Is it really every man/woman for himself/herself now?[/quote]

That’s a tough one, FLU.

I used to feel sorry for homeless people, and would give them money (back when I was poor as well). It always upset me to see them a hour later with a bottle of liquor or high on drugs.

This is a subject close to my heart because my sister would float around “homeless” on a number of occasions. It’s not because we wouldn’t take her in and take care of her. She made that choice because she didn’t want to live by our/society’s rules. She wanted to party (drugs and alcohol), and didn’t want anyone telling her what to do. She worked sporadically, and then would stop showing up for days or weeks at a time. When she would return to work, she’d get angry at her employers if they chastised her. So many people tried to help her, but she refused to help herself.

Personally, I think it’s best to donate directly to homeless shelters, food banks, and other organizations that really try to help homeless people get back on their feet. While times are tough for everyone these days, there’s a high probability that any money you give to a homeless person will be used for drugs and alcohol. I just don’t think that solves anything.

I like Father Joe’s Villages:

http://www.fatherjoesvillages.org/

Also good are The Salvation Army and Goodwill.

[CA renter]

[quote=flu]I have a general question..

On this board, I read a lot about folks donating aid to people in other countries. I also see a lot of rant about how the government is stealing money away from main street and how desperate some people are living in conditions similar to the great depression and how the government should do more to help people. And now we read about folks pitching tents in parking lots, some with kids…

Out of curiosity, have anyone considered helping some of these people out?

I’ll admit, I haven’t….Something bothered me on the way home…While I was parked at an intersection, I saw a man with and apparently his little son, holding up signs saying “will work for food”….I didn’t think much of it at the time and just drove through the intersection when the light turned green… But then when I looked back, and saw the boy and his dad(I assume), it really bothered me…See, I would have had no qualms donating money to some girl scout or boy scout event, or buying my kid’s friends birthday present.. But why did I drive through the intersection without doing anything? I wasn’t alone either…I’m just wondering if we have become so indifferent and callous about helping each other in this country out? Is it really every man/woman for himself/herself now?[/quote]

That’s a tough one, FLU.

I used to feel sorry for homeless people, and would give them money (back when I was poor as well). It always upset me to see them a hour later with a bottle of liquor or high on drugs.

This is a subject close to my heart because my sister would float around “homeless” on a number of occasions. It’s not because we wouldn’t take her in and take care of her. She made that choice because she didn’t want to live by our/society’s rules. She wanted to party (drugs and alcohol), and didn’t want anyone telling her what to do. She worked sporadically, and then would stop showing up for days or weeks at a time. When she would return to work, she’d get angry at her employers if they chastised her. So many people tried to help her, but she refused to help herself.

Personally, I think it’s best to donate directly to homeless shelters, food banks, and other organizations that really try to help homeless people get back on their feet. While times are tough for everyone these days, there’s a high probability that any money you give to a homeless person will be used for drugs and alcohol. I just don’t think that solves anything.

I like Father Joe’s Villages:

http://www.fatherjoesvillages.org/

Also good are The Salvation Army and Goodwill.

[cabal]

I give on occasion, mostly on impulse. However, I will study their physical traits first and convince myself they are genuine before doing so. I pass no judgment and I don’t care if they buy a beer to extract 15 min of simple pleasure out of another miserable day. I’m ok with that because I know it is the hardest thing to pick yourself up when you’re at the bottom. If I saw a father begging with his kid, I would probably donate something. It takes courage to swallow your pride and to publicly humiliate yourself in front of your kid.

FLU – Your thoughts are not alone. It reminded me of this article I read a few weeks ago.
http://blogs.hbr.org/haque/2010/02/the_real_roots_of_the_crisis.html

Regarding rants, I find the complaints by those who sold at the peak the most humorous and hypocritical. The housing bubble facilitated the greatest transfer of wealth in recent times. Specifically, the so called fraudulent money flowed from wall street/banks to naïve buyer to bubble seller. The bubble seller is the ultimate beneficiary of this fraudulent money, yet there is never talk about its morality or legitimacy. Fine, just don’t complain about govt giveaways of our tax dollars. You hold the solution. Simply return the fraudulent money and problem solved.

[cabal]

I give on occasion, mostly on impulse. However, I will study their physical traits first and convince myself they are genuine before doing so. I pass no judgment and I don’t care if they buy a beer to extract 15 min of simple pleasure out of another miserable day. I’m ok with that because I know it is the hardest thing to pick yourself up when you’re at the bottom. If I saw a father begging with his kid, I would probably donate something. It takes courage to swallow your pride and to publicly humiliate yourself in front of your kid.

FLU – Your thoughts are not alone. It reminded me of this article I read a few weeks ago.
http://blogs.hbr.org/haque/2010/02/the_real_roots_of_the_crisis.html

Regarding rants, I find the complaints by those who sold at the peak the most humorous and hypocritical. The housing bubble facilitated the greatest transfer of wealth in recent times. Specifically, the so called fraudulent money flowed from wall street/banks to naïve buyer to bubble seller. The bubble seller is the ultimate beneficiary of this fraudulent money, yet there is never talk about its morality or legitimacy. Fine, just don’t complain about govt giveaways of our tax dollars. You hold the solution. Simply return the fraudulent money and problem solved.

[cabal]

I give on occasion, mostly on impulse. However, I will study their physical traits first and convince myself they are genuine before doing so. I pass no judgment and I don’t care if they buy a beer to extract 15 min of simple pleasure out of another miserable day. I’m ok with that because I know it is the hardest thing to pick yourself up when you’re at the bottom. If I saw a father begging with his kid, I would probably donate something. It takes courage to swallow your pride and to publicly humiliate yourself in front of your kid.

FLU – Your thoughts are not alone. It reminded me of this article I read a few weeks ago.
http://blogs.hbr.org/haque/2010/02/the_real_roots_of_the_crisis.html

Regarding rants, I find the complaints by those who sold at the peak the most humorous and hypocritical. The housing bubble facilitated the greatest transfer of wealth in recent times. Specifically, the so called fraudulent money flowed from wall street/banks to naïve buyer to bubble seller. The bubble seller is the ultimate beneficiary of this fraudulent money, yet there is never talk about its morality or legitimacy. Fine, just don’t complain about govt giveaways of our tax dollars. You hold the solution. Simply return the fraudulent money and problem solved.

[cabal]

I give on occasion, mostly on impulse. However, I will study their physical traits first and convince myself they are genuine before doing so. I pass no judgment and I don’t care if they buy a beer to extract 15 min of simple pleasure out of another miserable day. I’m ok with that because I know it is the hardest thing to pick yourself up when you’re at the bottom. If I saw a father begging with his kid, I would probably donate something. It takes courage to swallow your pride and to publicly humiliate yourself in front of your kid.

FLU – Your thoughts are not alone. It reminded me of this article I read a few weeks ago.
http://blogs.hbr.org/haque/2010/02/the_real_roots_of_the_crisis.html

Regarding rants, I find the complaints by those who sold at the peak the most humorous and hypocritical. The housing bubble facilitated the greatest transfer of wealth in recent times. Specifically, the so called fraudulent money flowed from wall street/banks to naïve buyer to bubble seller. The bubble seller is the ultimate beneficiary of this fraudulent money, yet there is never talk about its morality or legitimacy. Fine, just don’t complain about govt giveaways of our tax dollars. You hold the solution. Simply return the fraudulent money and problem solved.

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