20% Unemployment in CA counties

[CA renter]

That was an excellent post, Arraya.

[Arraya]

[quote=cabal]

There is nothing illegal about knowingly selling an overpriced asset to an eager, voluntary buyer. Whether or not there is a moral component is subject to debate as I see valid arguments on both sides. .[/quote]

No, but there are laws against making false statements regarding the value of an asset

The punishment for making false statements or reports that overvalue an asset is also stated in the U.S. Code:[61]
http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/18/usc_sup_01_18_10_I_20_47.html

Whoever knowingly makes any false statement or report, or willfully overvalues any land, property or security, for the purpose of influencing in any way…shall be fined not more than $1,000,000 or imprisoned not more than 30 years, or both.

[Arraya]

[quote=cabal]

There is nothing illegal about knowingly selling an overpriced asset to an eager, voluntary buyer. Whether or not there is a moral component is subject to debate as I see valid arguments on both sides. .[/quote]

No, but there are laws against making false statements regarding the value of an asset

The punishment for making false statements or reports that overvalue an asset is also stated in the U.S. Code:[61]
http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/18/usc_sup_01_18_10_I_20_47.html

Whoever knowingly makes any false statement or report, or willfully overvalues any land, property or security, for the purpose of influencing in any way…shall be fined not more than $1,000,000 or imprisoned not more than 30 years, or both.

[Arraya]

[quote=cabal]

There is nothing illegal about knowingly selling an overpriced asset to an eager, voluntary buyer. Whether or not there is a moral component is subject to debate as I see valid arguments on both sides. .[/quote]

No, but there are laws against making false statements regarding the value of an asset

The punishment for making false statements or reports that overvalue an asset is also stated in the U.S. Code:[61]
http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/18/usc_sup_01_18_10_I_20_47.html

Whoever knowingly makes any false statement or report, or willfully overvalues any land, property or security, for the purpose of influencing in any way…shall be fined not more than $1,000,000 or imprisoned not more than 30 years, or both.

[Arraya]

[quote=cabal]

There is nothing illegal about knowingly selling an overpriced asset to an eager, voluntary buyer. Whether or not there is a moral component is subject to debate as I see valid arguments on both sides. .[/quote]

No, but there are laws against making false statements regarding the value of an asset

The punishment for making false statements or reports that overvalue an asset is also stated in the U.S. Code:[61]
http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/18/usc_sup_01_18_10_I_20_47.html

Whoever knowingly makes any false statement or report, or willfully overvalues any land, property or security, for the purpose of influencing in any way…shall be fined not more than $1,000,000 or imprisoned not more than 30 years, or both.

[Arraya]

[quote=cabal]

There is nothing illegal about knowingly selling an overpriced asset to an eager, voluntary buyer. Whether or not there is a moral component is subject to debate as I see valid arguments on both sides. .[/quote]

No, but there are laws against making false statements regarding the value of an asset

The punishment for making false statements or reports that overvalue an asset is also stated in the U.S. Code:[61]
http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/18/usc_sup_01_18_10_I_20_47.html

Whoever knowingly makes any false statement or report, or willfully overvalues any land, property or security, for the purpose of influencing in any way…shall be fined not more than $1,000,000 or imprisoned not more than 30 years, or both.

[zzz]

Its a bit harsh for those of us who are not homeless to pass judgment on those who are. If you’re going to give money, to anyone including your friends, family, or a homeless person, do so without your judgment or expectation of how that money is going to be spent.

Has anyone ever talked to homeless people? You will be enlightened by what some of these people face day to day, including getting help. A lot of them go from minimum wage job to layoff to homeless and the cycle repeats again. What does a shelter or food bank do for them long term? Very little other than get them a warm bed and a meal.

If you have a problem giving out cash, give food or clothing DIRECTLY to the homeless people you see. Goodwill and Salvation Army resell the goods you donate.

Have you ever brought a bag of groceries with real food (not cookies, junk food) to a homeless person and seen their extreme gratitude? But also how generous they are with sharing with others who are homeless?

Most of us, including myself, don’t give enough. Those of us who have financial stability, a nice home and nice things should give more, whether it be your time, your money, or your knowledge. Its the humane thing to do. I’m disturbed that we live in a society where people are for the most part incredibly self involved.

[zzz]

Its a bit harsh for those of us who are not homeless to pass judgment on those who are. If you’re going to give money, to anyone including your friends, family, or a homeless person, do so without your judgment or expectation of how that money is going to be spent.

Has anyone ever talked to homeless people? You will be enlightened by what some of these people face day to day, including getting help. A lot of them go from minimum wage job to layoff to homeless and the cycle repeats again. What does a shelter or food bank do for them long term? Very little other than get them a warm bed and a meal.

If you have a problem giving out cash, give food or clothing DIRECTLY to the homeless people you see. Goodwill and Salvation Army resell the goods you donate.

Have you ever brought a bag of groceries with real food (not cookies, junk food) to a homeless person and seen their extreme gratitude? But also how generous they are with sharing with others who are homeless?

Most of us, including myself, don’t give enough. Those of us who have financial stability, a nice home and nice things should give more, whether it be your time, your money, or your knowledge. Its the humane thing to do. I’m disturbed that we live in a society where people are for the most part incredibly self involved.

[zzz]

Its a bit harsh for those of us who are not homeless to pass judgment on those who are. If you’re going to give money, to anyone including your friends, family, or a homeless person, do so without your judgment or expectation of how that money is going to be spent.

Has anyone ever talked to homeless people? You will be enlightened by what some of these people face day to day, including getting help. A lot of them go from minimum wage job to layoff to homeless and the cycle repeats again. What does a shelter or food bank do for them long term? Very little other than get them a warm bed and a meal.

If you have a problem giving out cash, give food or clothing DIRECTLY to the homeless people you see. Goodwill and Salvation Army resell the goods you donate.

Have you ever brought a bag of groceries with real food (not cookies, junk food) to a homeless person and seen their extreme gratitude? But also how generous they are with sharing with others who are homeless?

Most of us, including myself, don’t give enough. Those of us who have financial stability, a nice home and nice things should give more, whether it be your time, your money, or your knowledge. Its the humane thing to do. I’m disturbed that we live in a society where people are for the most part incredibly self involved.

[zzz]

Its a bit harsh for those of us who are not homeless to pass judgment on those who are. If you’re going to give money, to anyone including your friends, family, or a homeless person, do so without your judgment or expectation of how that money is going to be spent.

Has anyone ever talked to homeless people? You will be enlightened by what some of these people face day to day, including getting help. A lot of them go from minimum wage job to layoff to homeless and the cycle repeats again. What does a shelter or food bank do for them long term? Very little other than get them a warm bed and a meal.

If you have a problem giving out cash, give food or clothing DIRECTLY to the homeless people you see. Goodwill and Salvation Army resell the goods you donate.

Have you ever brought a bag of groceries with real food (not cookies, junk food) to a homeless person and seen their extreme gratitude? But also how generous they are with sharing with others who are homeless?

Most of us, including myself, don’t give enough. Those of us who have financial stability, a nice home and nice things should give more, whether it be your time, your money, or your knowledge. Its the humane thing to do. I’m disturbed that we live in a society where people are for the most part incredibly self involved.

[zzz]

Its a bit harsh for those of us who are not homeless to pass judgment on those who are. If you’re going to give money, to anyone including your friends, family, or a homeless person, do so without your judgment or expectation of how that money is going to be spent.

Has anyone ever talked to homeless people? You will be enlightened by what some of these people face day to day, including getting help. A lot of them go from minimum wage job to layoff to homeless and the cycle repeats again. What does a shelter or food bank do for them long term? Very little other than get them a warm bed and a meal.

If you have a problem giving out cash, give food or clothing DIRECTLY to the homeless people you see. Goodwill and Salvation Army resell the goods you donate.

Have you ever brought a bag of groceries with real food (not cookies, junk food) to a homeless person and seen their extreme gratitude? But also how generous they are with sharing with others who are homeless?

Most of us, including myself, don’t give enough. Those of us who have financial stability, a nice home and nice things should give more, whether it be your time, your money, or your knowledge. Its the humane thing to do. I’m disturbed that we live in a society where people are for the most part incredibly self involved.

[UCGal]

Coming back to this thread well after the fact…

I agree with CAR about Father Joe’s Village – it’s a shelter that runs a bit different than most – geared towards families, job training, getting people back on their feet. You’re not allowed to stay unless you agree to work or be full-time looking for a job. I give to them regularly.

Someone pondered, on the first page, why it was that homeless people end up in cities with good weather. I think the answer is obvious… if you have no home – you have fewer ties to your previous city… if you’re sleeping outside – wouldn’t you find a way to move where you won’t die of exposure?

Back in college I lived downtown – pre-gentrification and condo-fication… it was pretty scary… This was right as Horton Plaza first opened, before the convention center was built… it pretty much rolled up the sidewalks at 6pm. There were a LOT of homeless. Many were mentally ill and used drugs and alcohol. I was skeptical of panhandlers – I never gave them money. (Partially because I was a broke college student.) But I would offer PB&J sandwiches. You’d get a few that were angry because they wanted $, but many were VERY grateful.

I still kind of have that attitude… I give to the San Diego Food Bank and Father Joe’s village, rather than to individuals. I hope to never need the services of these places.

[UCGal]

Coming back to this thread well after the fact…

I agree with CAR about Father Joe’s Village – it’s a shelter that runs a bit different than most – geared towards families, job training, getting people back on their feet. You’re not allowed to stay unless you agree to work or be full-time looking for a job. I give to them regularly.

Someone pondered, on the first page, why it was that homeless people end up in cities with good weather. I think the answer is obvious… if you have no home – you have fewer ties to your previous city… if you’re sleeping outside – wouldn’t you find a way to move where you won’t die of exposure?

Back in college I lived downtown – pre-gentrification and condo-fication… it was pretty scary… This was right as Horton Plaza first opened, before the convention center was built… it pretty much rolled up the sidewalks at 6pm. There were a LOT of homeless. Many were mentally ill and used drugs and alcohol. I was skeptical of panhandlers – I never gave them money. (Partially because I was a broke college student.) But I would offer PB&J sandwiches. You’d get a few that were angry because they wanted $, but many were VERY grateful.

I still kind of have that attitude… I give to the San Diego Food Bank and Father Joe’s village, rather than to individuals. I hope to never need the services of these places.

[UCGal]

Coming back to this thread well after the fact…

I agree with CAR about Father Joe’s Village – it’s a shelter that runs a bit different than most – geared towards families, job training, getting people back on their feet. You’re not allowed to stay unless you agree to work or be full-time looking for a job. I give to them regularly.

Someone pondered, on the first page, why it was that homeless people end up in cities with good weather. I think the answer is obvious… if you have no home – you have fewer ties to your previous city… if you’re sleeping outside – wouldn’t you find a way to move where you won’t die of exposure?

Back in college I lived downtown – pre-gentrification and condo-fication… it was pretty scary… This was right as Horton Plaza first opened, before the convention center was built… it pretty much rolled up the sidewalks at 6pm. There were a LOT of homeless. Many were mentally ill and used drugs and alcohol. I was skeptical of panhandlers – I never gave them money. (Partially because I was a broke college student.) But I would offer PB&J sandwiches. You’d get a few that were angry because they wanted $, but many were VERY grateful.

I still kind of have that attitude… I give to the San Diego Food Bank and Father Joe’s village, rather than to individuals. I hope to never need the services of these places.

[UCGal]

Coming back to this thread well after the fact…

I agree with CAR about Father Joe’s Village – it’s a shelter that runs a bit different than most – geared towards families, job training, getting people back on their feet. You’re not allowed to stay unless you agree to work or be full-time looking for a job. I give to them regularly.

Someone pondered, on the first page, why it was that homeless people end up in cities with good weather. I think the answer is obvious… if you have no home – you have fewer ties to your previous city… if you’re sleeping outside – wouldn’t you find a way to move where you won’t die of exposure?

Back in college I lived downtown – pre-gentrification and condo-fication… it was pretty scary… This was right as Horton Plaza first opened, before the convention center was built… it pretty much rolled up the sidewalks at 6pm. There were a LOT of homeless. Many were mentally ill and used drugs and alcohol. I was skeptical of panhandlers – I never gave them money. (Partially because I was a broke college student.) But I would offer PB&J sandwiches. You’d get a few that were angry because they wanted $, but many were VERY grateful.

I still kind of have that attitude… I give to the San Diego Food Bank and Father Joe’s village, rather than to individuals. I hope to never need the services of these places.

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