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February 9, 2009 at 8:53 AM #343562February 9, 2009 at 9:30 AM #343610
Nor-LA-SD-guy
ParticipantIt’s not just the mortgages, a large part of this is the over pledging of states to their employee’s (States gave more pay and bennies to their employee’s than they can pay).
That is why I say CA will go Bankrupt at some point no matter what they try.
February 9, 2009 at 9:30 AM #343474Nor-LA-SD-guy
ParticipantIt’s not just the mortgages, a large part of this is the over pledging of states to their employee’s (States gave more pay and bennies to their employee’s than they can pay).
That is why I say CA will go Bankrupt at some point no matter what they try.
February 9, 2009 at 9:30 AM #343582Nor-LA-SD-guy
ParticipantIt’s not just the mortgages, a large part of this is the over pledging of states to their employee’s (States gave more pay and bennies to their employee’s than they can pay).
That is why I say CA will go Bankrupt at some point no matter what they try.
February 9, 2009 at 9:30 AM #343707Nor-LA-SD-guy
ParticipantIt’s not just the mortgages, a large part of this is the over pledging of states to their employee’s (States gave more pay and bennies to their employee’s than they can pay).
That is why I say CA will go Bankrupt at some point no matter what they try.
February 9, 2009 at 9:30 AM #343150Nor-LA-SD-guy
ParticipantIt’s not just the mortgages, a large part of this is the over pledging of states to their employee’s (States gave more pay and bennies to their employee’s than they can pay).
That is why I say CA will go Bankrupt at some point no matter what they try.
February 9, 2009 at 11:24 AM #343519kewp
ParticipantUh, yeah but remember everybody borrowed against their home equity during the boom years. I think the real numbers are 10-11 trillion dollars.
February 9, 2009 at 11:24 AM #343752kewp
ParticipantUh, yeah but remember everybody borrowed against their home equity during the boom years. I think the real numbers are 10-11 trillion dollars.
February 9, 2009 at 11:24 AM #343195kewp
ParticipantUh, yeah but remember everybody borrowed against their home equity during the boom years. I think the real numbers are 10-11 trillion dollars.
February 9, 2009 at 11:24 AM #343627kewp
ParticipantUh, yeah but remember everybody borrowed against their home equity during the boom years. I think the real numbers are 10-11 trillion dollars.
February 9, 2009 at 11:24 AM #343655kewp
ParticipantUh, yeah but remember everybody borrowed against their home equity during the boom years. I think the real numbers are 10-11 trillion dollars.
February 9, 2009 at 11:31 AM #343529davelj
Participant[quote=TheBreeze]This article says that the U.S. has spent or pledged $9.7 trillion on the bailout so far and that amount is enough to pay off 90% of the nation’s mortgages:
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=washingtonstory&sid=aGq2B3XeGKok
So obviously the OP is on to something. It looks like the Bush administration bailed out a bunch of Bush’s cronies while the whole time saying that they were looking to help out with mortgages. What a crock. I hope that Chimpy MFer ends up in jail.[/quote]
There is a rather large difference between money “pledged” and “spent.” If I lend you $100K backed by a mortgage that you must pay back, that money is “pledged.” If I give you $100K to buy a house and you don’t have to pay me back, that money is “spent.” The government has “pledged” a boatload of money thus far, but hasn’t “spent” a lot of it yet (this will change after the stimulus package is passed – that’s money “spent”). Now we can debate what percentage of the “pledged” money we’ll ever see again – 100%, 90%, 80%, less? But whatever number that is, it’s a far cry from being totally “spent.” (Specifically, the actual number “spent” will be 100% less whatever we get back.) So I think the analogy used here is a bit silly. Again, we can debate the merits of all of these various programs, but let’s at least get the terminology and respective implications straight.
February 9, 2009 at 11:31 AM #343762davelj
Participant[quote=TheBreeze]This article says that the U.S. has spent or pledged $9.7 trillion on the bailout so far and that amount is enough to pay off 90% of the nation’s mortgages:
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=washingtonstory&sid=aGq2B3XeGKok
So obviously the OP is on to something. It looks like the Bush administration bailed out a bunch of Bush’s cronies while the whole time saying that they were looking to help out with mortgages. What a crock. I hope that Chimpy MFer ends up in jail.[/quote]
There is a rather large difference between money “pledged” and “spent.” If I lend you $100K backed by a mortgage that you must pay back, that money is “pledged.” If I give you $100K to buy a house and you don’t have to pay me back, that money is “spent.” The government has “pledged” a boatload of money thus far, but hasn’t “spent” a lot of it yet (this will change after the stimulus package is passed – that’s money “spent”). Now we can debate what percentage of the “pledged” money we’ll ever see again – 100%, 90%, 80%, less? But whatever number that is, it’s a far cry from being totally “spent.” (Specifically, the actual number “spent” will be 100% less whatever we get back.) So I think the analogy used here is a bit silly. Again, we can debate the merits of all of these various programs, but let’s at least get the terminology and respective implications straight.
February 9, 2009 at 11:31 AM #343665davelj
Participant[quote=TheBreeze]This article says that the U.S. has spent or pledged $9.7 trillion on the bailout so far and that amount is enough to pay off 90% of the nation’s mortgages:
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=washingtonstory&sid=aGq2B3XeGKok
So obviously the OP is on to something. It looks like the Bush administration bailed out a bunch of Bush’s cronies while the whole time saying that they were looking to help out with mortgages. What a crock. I hope that Chimpy MFer ends up in jail.[/quote]
There is a rather large difference between money “pledged” and “spent.” If I lend you $100K backed by a mortgage that you must pay back, that money is “pledged.” If I give you $100K to buy a house and you don’t have to pay me back, that money is “spent.” The government has “pledged” a boatload of money thus far, but hasn’t “spent” a lot of it yet (this will change after the stimulus package is passed – that’s money “spent”). Now we can debate what percentage of the “pledged” money we’ll ever see again – 100%, 90%, 80%, less? But whatever number that is, it’s a far cry from being totally “spent.” (Specifically, the actual number “spent” will be 100% less whatever we get back.) So I think the analogy used here is a bit silly. Again, we can debate the merits of all of these various programs, but let’s at least get the terminology and respective implications straight.
February 9, 2009 at 11:31 AM #343637davelj
Participant[quote=TheBreeze]This article says that the U.S. has spent or pledged $9.7 trillion on the bailout so far and that amount is enough to pay off 90% of the nation’s mortgages:
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=washingtonstory&sid=aGq2B3XeGKok
So obviously the OP is on to something. It looks like the Bush administration bailed out a bunch of Bush’s cronies while the whole time saying that they were looking to help out with mortgages. What a crock. I hope that Chimpy MFer ends up in jail.[/quote]
There is a rather large difference between money “pledged” and “spent.” If I lend you $100K backed by a mortgage that you must pay back, that money is “pledged.” If I give you $100K to buy a house and you don’t have to pay me back, that money is “spent.” The government has “pledged” a boatload of money thus far, but hasn’t “spent” a lot of it yet (this will change after the stimulus package is passed – that’s money “spent”). Now we can debate what percentage of the “pledged” money we’ll ever see again – 100%, 90%, 80%, less? But whatever number that is, it’s a far cry from being totally “spent.” (Specifically, the actual number “spent” will be 100% less whatever we get back.) So I think the analogy used here is a bit silly. Again, we can debate the merits of all of these various programs, but let’s at least get the terminology and respective implications straight.
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