[quote=urbanrealtor][quote=CA renter]BTW, I fully understand what discrimination is all about. My step-grandfather died in a Nazi jail because he ran the printing press for the underground in Vienna. They also hid Jews in their apartment, and helped transport them over the Swiss border. My Jewish grandfather had already died of TB, which was fortunate, because my mother took her (non-Jewish) step-father’s last name, which probably saved her life.
Still, she was put in a Nazi “re-education” camp for children of uncooperative parents, and was released after a few months only because she tested positive for TB (another blessing in disguise).
Yes, I understand what discrimination means, which is why I think we need to address the causes and start doing something useful to eliminate it or, at the very least, reduce it as much as possible.[/quote]
Demeaning your grandparents and trading on their names does not really change anything.
Kind of makes me sad that the memory of victims of abuse are being misused to save face but that’s not really the point.
The point here is that you are claiming that purely racial considerations are supported by stats and therefore make sense.
To summarize:
People aren’t evil. They just know that black people are more likely to be violent offenders.
I am not sure what is funnier here.
That you are consistently in favor of racial discrimination or that you seek to justify it as if you were the author of Blink.
Life is not a Malcolm Gladwell book.
That is the reason that the “1 in 33 black men” is not considered an acceptable reason to deny business to a patron.
You can talk all day about how its justified but that does not change the reality:
denying business to a someone (like not renting them a room or not selling them coffee) based on race IS DISCRIMINATORY.
BY ITS VERY DEFINITION.
THIS IS TRUE WHETHER OR NOT IT HAS THE BENEFIT OF A LEGAL EXEMPTION.
I personally consider racial discrimination to be immoral and to defend it as being something else is dishonest (or “fraudulent” since you seem to like (mis-)using that word so much).
Having family in the Holocaust does not make you more sensitive.
It just makes you hypocritical.
And denying business based on race is racist.
That’s why we call it that.[/quote]
Dan,
I’m not trying to save face (never lost it), nor is anything I’ve said demeaning to my mother or grandparents. YOU are the one who brought up your “Hispanic ethnicity/relationship to Jews” in some kind of attempt to establish your credibility. I’m pointing out that you are not the only one who has Jewish/Hispanic/black/etc. blood; therefore, your arguments are not any more powerful or credible than any others based on that criteria.
I’m also not debating whether or not these practices are discriminatory — they are — I’m just saying that we cannot address this discrimination in a vacuum.
Your constant attempts to personally disparage those who point out facts that run counter to your beliefs will not validate your arguments. You have to bring facts and logic to the table. Show at least a modicum of understanding about the topics you’re debating.
