[quote=ucodegen][quote=harvey][quote=ucodegen][quote=harvey]
1st Amendment protects the speech of US residents.
It doesn’t protect foreign governments.
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That is where it kind of gets interesting.. some of the protections of the constitution have been extended to non-citizens as well as non-residents via Supreme Court. Non-residents and non-citizens which happen to be citizens of foreign nations.
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Lol, that’s complete bullshit.
You’re clearly more concerned about the imaginary First Amendment rights of Vladimir Putin than you are about a real US president that tells the American people that we can only trust the White House as source of information.
They’ve got you. Hook, line, sinker.[/quote]
You know, I have been civil here without dropping down to using ad hominem attacks (use of logic fallacies). When logic fails, you seem to resort to insults.
The pushing of constitutional rights to foreign persons is not a fallacy. Its true. The issues of ‘sanctuary cities’ demonstrates some of it. That many people being in the US illegally can somehow get assistance from SSI (which was formed to help the citizens of this nation). That people in the country illegally (non-citizens) have the right to the first amendment as shown by public demonstrations by Mexican nationals.
I make no differentiation between whether a person here illegally is Mexican or Russian. That would be racist.
I make no differentiation between whether a person making posts is Mexican or Russian. That would be racist.
Your post sounds almost McCarthy-ist.. ie. The Red Scare. You are also not paying attention to what I have posted which states that I do not like any law that puts some governmental official (ie White House) in charge of determining what it true fact or what if fake news. As I said – It is “Kind of Orwellian” – see 5th post on this thread.
Also see my last line to the comment that you responded to:
As for the gov’s “Trust Me”, I prefer to trust but always be able to verify.
Maybe it would be better to read for comprehension before popping off.[/quote]
Ucodegen, you know what your talking about, as usual, and you’re able to read and comprehend what’s going on. I agree with you about activists being labled as “terrorists,” and have seen evidence of it myself, like when law enforcement was using facial recognition cameras to videotape and photograph people at both the Tea Party and Occupy Wall Street protests. They’ve also been actively trying to pass “domestic terrorism” laws aimed at those who oppose certain government actions (which is precisely what the First Amendment is all about).
Pri/Harvey has a regular habit of intentionally twisting the words of other posters, redirecting conversations to unrelated topics, and using ad hominem attacks at every turn instead of actually addressing any of the issues in an intelligent manner. This, along with his habit of spouting propaganda, line-by-line, has made me wonder if he is a troll, with a strong possibility that he might be a paid troll.
Note that he’s not been able to refute a single point I’ve made throughout this entire thread; instead, chosing to redirect the conversations to completely unrelated issues and make personal attacks.
I can prove everything I’ve said here, and have posted link after link directly to the sources who’ve been working on this legislation, which is what makes him launch into his nonsensical personal tirades. He’s completely incapable of using facts and logic to make his points.
Posters like Pri/Harvey have made it difficult to have intelligent conversations and debates about some of the most important issues of our time. The level of discourse has declined dramatically because of a handful of posters who do nothing but post political party talking points and make personal attacks when challenged by informed, educated posters.
