Thanks ucodegen. I think 1jrp1 is being quite arrogant, with so-called “Facts” (CO2 and temperature are not tightly correlative, notably in the past 50 years, e.g. 1945 to 1975 cooling period). His “Facts” are case of crying wolf. And I sense so much fear in him, of me, and of independent thought.
Yeah. I’m afraid of your independent (read regurgitated) thought. I’m afraid of it because you try to falsely convey there is no consensus within the scientific community that AGW is real and getting worse.
Edit after research. Here’s the fantastically tight correlation between CO2 and temperature:
1880-1945: +.4 C
1945-1975: -.1 C
1971-present: +.3 C
total warming since 1880: +.6 C
If man starting spewing out most of the CO2 after World War II, why is most of the warming prior to it? Why did it get colder after World War II?
See kewp’s response about short term fluctuations. More generally, the correlation over the last 650K years is very, very solid. Stock traders would sell their grandmother to have that kind of predictive power.
The asteroid analogy is weak. The trajectory of an asteroid is easily computed using Newtonian physics. There will be error, but that error is quantifiable based on measurement error, and not based on assumptions (i.e. plugging in unknown variables). We know positions of satellites billions of miles away to the meter. The current state of climate science is that the ability to know future climate is very very weak–do we know what the temperature will be 50 years from now? Hell no.
The point of the analogy is that you, without any training or education in the field, are second guessing thousands of trained scientists, and thus misleading even more ignorant people than yourself (is that even possible?) that AGW is just a hoax, that we should just ignore the problem despite the alarm bells.
I may not be a climate scientist, but I do have analytical thinking skills and I apply them when I read. And you are an arrogant twit. Why do i say this? Because you claim to know the truth better than me, and resort to insults when someone disagrees with you. I doubt you have read both sides like I have–I know the Kool Aid you’re drinking, trust me.
If you were to say: “A majority of professionally trained people, many of whom are smarter than me by a country mile, are telling us that we are risking a climate catastrophe if we continue to dump CO2 into the atmosphere. But, instead, I prefer to believe a vanishingly small handful of “skeptics” and a small army of paid industry lobbyists that there is nothing to worry about” then I wouldn’t try to argue with you. But in fact you don’t even allow for the possibility that you are completely and utterly wrong, and that your righteous fight against the AGW hoax is confusing the issue and wasting precious time. Whose the arrogant twit? Mmmm…Kool Aid tastes good, don’t it?
I know I’m beating a dead horse here, but darnit, you just won’t stay down.
