the military is just following orders, in other words, so everyone is off the hook?[/quote]
I wouldn’t expect a strawman argument from you.. how do you get from Military to everyone off the hook? Classic strawman. Does not follow. For the military to do its job, it has to follow orders. You can’t have anarchy in command when in the middle of a military operation. I clearly stated; take a look at who we choose as Commander in Chief and Congress. If we don’t like how they are acting, take a long hard look at who we elect. The finger points back to us!!! We can’t blame anyone else, whether you would like to or not!
More strawmans:
is there any point where we say, siniing up for tthe US military is like signing up for an illegal whaling expedition?
is there any point where a guy signing up for this is not signing up honorably to serve his country, but is signing up knowing we are doing bad crap?
NOTE: Being in the miliary means you are going to have to do bad, nasty crap. War and miliary operations ARE nasty. The whole purpose is to avoid war and not make it ‘sanitary’. Military options should always be considered the last recourse, not the first. If it is sanitary, easily done by pushing buttons thousands of miles away, those commanding the operations will cease to regard the real consequences of that button press.
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putting your life on the line is irrelevant.
[/quote] That statement is true if you have never had to put your life on the line, never see your family again, relatives again.. have no children etc. A very immature and juvenile statement.
[quote=scaredyclassic]
if you volunteer for a corrupt private rorganization, even if it’s risky and you could die in the work, say an illegal whaling ship expedition, we don’t say, wow, taking risks, putting your life on the line, catching whales, making money……we say, why are you volunteering for a whaling experdition in vioaltion of international law? why are you involved in this mess. what in the hell was going through your mind when you volunteered for an obviously evil venture?[/quote]Man are you going for strawman arguments; they just keep coming. First and foremost: THE MILITARY DID NOT GENERATE THEIR OWN ORDERS!!! It came from the Commander in Chief. So that leaves the uncomfortable question: “Who put the Commander in Chief in charge or in his/her current position?” What would have happened if all of those people who put him in charge, stood up with one voice and said “STOP”?
[quote=scaredyclassic]is there any point where we say, siniing up for tthe US military is like signing up for an illegal whaling expedition?
is there any point where a guy signing up for this is not signing up honorably to serve his country, but is signing up knowing we are doing bad crap?[/quote]
So what happens when we actually need the military? How do you get 2 to 10 years of experience built up? You can’t do that on a moments notice.
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is it ever OK for a regular citizen to say to say, NO, not in my name, no thank you, do not serve me, i do not want your service, in this way. I would prefer you NOT serve me whale meat, or back the military. youdo not have to follow these orders if you do not VOLUNTEER in the first place…
. I would prefer you not Volunteer to put your lfie on the line for a corrupt military industrial world whaling death expedition. iw ould prefer you fight for a better country here…[/quote]You really need to avoid strawman arguments. It corrupts what ever valid points you may have by taking ridiculously extreme positions to try to demonstrate your point. The real problem here is that the Military/Commander In Chief/Congress have to be responsible to more that just your sole opinion. The other real problem with your position is that to have an effective military, they must follow orders. Arguing over command on the battlefield invites only one thing.. your own death.
