Scaredy, Some of us are just philosophically against taking something like this serious(and parting with money to do so). We are losers. The seriousness takes the fun out of it bringing on self-consciousness in some. Going around to wineries would make me feel like a sheep.When this topic gets serious it reminds me of the star bellied sneech machine. We are in the “wine star” club and you have no star upon thars.Do you hace “wine star” language to discuss fermeneted grapes at your disposal? Have you been to right fermented grape places? Here is my list. Do you have a “wine star” quality house to put that bottle in? Ruins a perfectly good thing to catch a buzz with and wash down a tuna melt.