….You conspicuously avoid dealing with any questions about the past because to do so would be a tacit admission as to the fatal mistakes that organized labor and GM made, and I can’t help help but detect the stance of union worker from you (and Scarlet/Rt.66 for that matter). Nothing wrong with that, of course, but it’s obviously creating a bias as to your answers…..[/quote]
By the way Allan:
Scarlet/Rt.66 slam-dunked, de-bunked, and out-funked you and Flu’s lame arguments throughout these 7 pages hands down. No bones about it.
Time out. You and Flu lose. Go back and read the proof.
Why are you two still here ?
I hope you realize you are on the wrong side of things in this forum and take the time to politely ask Jeff Bridges to resign from the Hyundai ads and resume work for the good guys.
It’s the least you and Flu can do to make up for bashing American cars, unions and workers. Shame shame.[/quote]
Paddy: No, she didn’t. She did, however, recycle a lot of biased and prejudiced material, all of which either had a pro-union slant, or was from a union publication.
What’s truly pathetic is the sense of entitlement that both you and Rt.66 have. You’re not “owed” a job by anyone and that’s the line that unions have been selling for years.
Scarlet’s arguments were as elliptical as yours and, like yours, were untenable and indefensible in the face of the facts.
This isn’t the 1950s. The world has changed and markedly so. My business competes with companies from all over the world and, in order to thrive and survive, I recognize that I have to do things better, cheaper and faster, and in spite of competition from countries where the labor force works for a lot less, including engineers and mathematicians. How do we beat them? By showing value and consistent quality (something that the Indians and Chinese still haven’t fully mastered).
You and Scarlet can chest beat all you want about who won this argument, but GM still went BK and if American auto/manufacturing/blue collar workers don’t recognize that a fundamental paradigm shift has occurred, then things will get progressively worse for them.
An 18 year old with no high school diploma could walk into a GM (or Ford or Mopar) plant and get a job with full benefits and pension, and making a good wage in the 1950s and 1960s, and even into the 1970s. That’s not the case anymore. The world has changed and grown more competitive and whining about what you’re “entitled” to doesn’t mean a thing and it doesn’t change things one iota.
It’s like when black kids complain that the SATs are racially biased and, as a result, their scores are lower. Do you know what Asian kids do in the same instance? STUDY HARDER.
I started working at 10 with a paper route and I’ve never been unemployed since. I’ve had to scratch and claw quite a few times, but I never felt anyone owed me anything and it frankly repulses me when anyone, regardless of race, background or religion starts whining about how they were mistreated and how they are somehow “owed” something (generally money from someone else’s pocket). We’ve become a nation of victims and the notion of American exceptionalism and individuality has been worn down by people who think that the ability to stick their hand out and cry somehow entitles them to recompense.
Read Schumpeter and learn. Life’s a bitch and business is harder and ain’t no one gonna give you nothing. As my uncle, who was an investment banker, used to say: “You want a friend? Buy a dog”.
