[quote=ocrenter]I think the only way to really end this debate is to forcefully relocate you and your love ones to El Cajon. ;)[/quote]
Actually ocrenter, AN’s entire extended family could probably fit on that lot! There’s plenty of parking. I’ve seen several nice detached guest houses out there. They don’t cost that much to build. And, if the family members pooled their resources, they could probably pay cash! And the “retired” family members could maintain the gardens and/or orchard.