[quote=harvey][quote=ucodegen]We already debated the AGW subject to death, and it didn’t hold up.[/quote]
I was wondering who kept the official record on what we decided.
Thanks for clearing that up.[/quote]
I didn’t keep the official record – it is out there for all to see on Piggington, all you have to do is dig into the previous postings. That means that Piggington has kept the official record of the discussions that occurred on Piggington. I was just reminding people of those discussions and what happened at the end.
[quote=zk][quote=ucodegen]
We already debated the AGW subject to death, and it didn’t hold up. [/quote]
The only places this is true are in right-wing media and with others who have an agenda.[/quote]
If the basic math doesn’t hold up, then it doesn’t hold up. It is kind of simple there.
[quote=FlyerInHi]Ucodegen, regardless of your point of view, what’s wrong with green tech and green living?
Remember Michele Bachman and her light bulb choice act? Well now you can buy LED bulbs at the 99c store. Are the dumbasses who stocked up on incandescent bulbs still running them and paying the electricity?
Plus Trump is not putting resources that would be applied to the Paris accord into other environmental solutions.[/quote]
There is nothing wrong with green tech itself, as well as green living, but true green tech has much more to do with other things than just Carbon Dioxide. Science should not be twisted to manipulate or exploit a populace. Science should always be pure and honest – regardless of politics.
Trump is not yet putting resources that would be put to the Paris accord. We don’t know how that money will be directed. Some really simple things have very effective results. My opinion is to continue the Solar rebates and enforce Net Metering on the power companies (yes, that is you Nevada). Of course this would not be popular with certain big businesses, but it helps individuals and it also a very effective way for individuals to save money – and be efficient. It is also very effective way to reduce fossil fuel usage. If you burn 300KWh in a month, that is the same as 3.33 full recharges on a Tesla P90 (effectively 3.33 full ‘refuels’.)
The Paris accord is like ‘paying indulgences’ to the Catholic church. It really doesn’t fix things. The entire Carbon trading scenario has been usurped by investment banks to make money at the expense to everyone else. They make a percentage as the ‘broker’ on the deal, yet contribute nothing. The money that goes to the third world countries doesn’t really go to the people of those countries. Most of the third world countries are not democracies, or are democracies with considerable internal corruption.
Green and green tech is much, much more than ‘carbon’. This is why I pointed out the problems with sewage treatment, particulate matter and heavy metals like lead and mercury. There is a good natural ‘uptake’ or ‘sequestration’ channel for Carbon Dioxide (plants and trees), but none for the other items I mentioned.
This is also why I mentioned China, who is turning a good portion of their country into an ecological disaster. Yet this same country barely has any responsibility for their emissions under the current Paris accord, which are nearly twice the US carbon dioxide emissions not to mention particulate, lead and mercury – and other noxious chemicals. No wonder they agree to it, it seriously hamstrings all other nations while leaving China free reign.
On a side note, I thought the people who stocked up on tungsten lights were idiots than, and are still idiots. The only tungsten lights I stocked up on were the ones that go into ovens. CF and LED can’t take the heat of an oven, the only tech that I know of that can is the old tech. Besides, all the waste energy of a tungsten light is heat – and an oven is used for heating things.. I also didn’t stock up on CFs when they came out and had discounts, because in mass manufacturing – prices almost always go down – and new and better tech tends to be around the corner.
NOTE: The only other thing I find tungsten light useful for is indoor photography. Most CFs have a weird color temperature as well as some LEDs.
