harry, the oc is all grown up, no arguments there. But it is not what the urban theorists consider an urban environment. Almost the entire o.c. requires a car, things are spread out and zoned and few families can live entirely as pedestrians. It’s large buildings are surrounded by parking lots and it os difficult to walk from the skyscrapers to the houses. SFR’s are evil in their eyes and we are enamored by them.
lajolla, even you hood isn’t what they would consider urban. These guys are pointing to european and east coast cities as the model and we will never fit into it.