[quote=FlyerInHi][quote=sdsurfer][quote=bearishgurl]If newcomers can’t find housing in SD County that they can afford and is near enough to their prospective jobs, then they simply won’t come … plain and simple. [/quote]
Hey BG,
When is the last time people “stopped coming”? I feel like this is more of a theory that you are believing people will get fed up and go elsewhere, but I’d love some data or a history lesson on when it occurred in the past.
I hate to be naive, but I feel like people will just rent to live where they cannot afford or end up a bit inland with a commute….possibly working a job they do not like to live in a climate/area they do like. It’s just a theory and I have no data to support it though. I’ve actually been looking recently.[/quote]
The way I see if, a lot of long time residents get fed up or they cash out and move out. The new immigrants do just fine. They find ways to thrive. It’s been like that since the 80s. LA attracts a lot of young domestic immigrants hoping to make it in the big city.[/quote]Back from LA, again … the land of larger single-family lots than SD.
I never stated in this thread that people will “stop coming” to SD. I essentially stated that local and regional government hold the keys as to how many housing units are approved for new construction. Or if any are approved at all. I stated that we don’t owe newcomers new construction to live in. People don’t move anywhere without knowing they are going to have a place to live and move their household goods into. That is, unless they have a local friend or relative to stay with for a few weeks (months?) while their belongings sit in storage in the locale they came from. They don’t make a final decision to accept a job here or move here permanently unless they can find and secure “suitable” housing for their family situation. If a person considering accepting a job here comes here after a job offer is made to them to see if they can secure “suitable” housing which they will be able to afford and they or their families do not like what is on offer in their price range, they will not accept the job offer, plain and simple. No harm done, they are still employed back home and they never packed up their home to begin with.
This happens every day for all ranks of the military, especially if the member (sponsor) is subject to long and frequent deployments. It doesn’t matter to the member’s family that they can get military housing while living here or a larger housing allowance by accompanying the member. It only matters that they are currently more “comfortable” where they live now and are closer to extended family. When these families come here in advance of PCS orders and look at available housing and its locations (both govm’t-owned and civilian housing), they often decline accompanying the sponsor to his/her new duty station because they perceive that where they currently live offers a better life for their families. It’s been this way for decades.
Even a person who is offered a high-paying or executive position in a CA coastal county doesn’t often accept it because they and/or their families aren’t willing to downgrade their living conditions to such as extent that they would feel uncomfortable doing so and/or their kids are already settled in their schools and they feel it doesn’t get any better than that.
Taking a job in a CA coastal county is a hard sell for a lot of very qualified job candidates residing in “flyover country.”
sdsurfer, I don’t see “long-time residents” cashing out and leaving SD County. Props 13, 58 and 193 have seen to that. There is absolutely no incentive whatsoever for them to do so as their cost of living will rise exponentially the very minute they close the sale on their personal residence here without another long-owned CA residence to move into. And where would they go when they’ve been here for 50+ years and their families are here? It doesn’t matter that many of them are “fed up” by ultra-long lines at the post office and congested surface streets which were once easy to traverse (the vast majority of them no longer commute on the freeways daily). This group has the option of hitting the road a few times a year when they get fed up enough to decide to get out of dodge. And they do.
sdsurfer, the problem with choosing the “long commutes” in SoCal is that this decision throws the homebuyer/prospective renter into oppressive heat 8-9 months per year. Even Burbank, CA (~20 miles inland) was 101 yesterday! The SGV was 108! The areas these people are choosing to live in and commute to jobs (in SD County, primarily the southern portion of the IE and SD North County inland) can get extremely hot for several months per year. What’s the difference in the weather there during these months than just staying in their beautiful TX spread for 1/4 to 1/2 the price and deciding not to move here at all? The daily “lifestyles” coastal dwellers live (<4 miles from the coast) and those that inland dwellers live in SoCal are night and day from one another! There is no real "draw" to come and work here from US "flyover country" if the job candidate has a family with minor children they must consider. The difference in the compensation they will be offered (if any) will NOT in any way, shape or form compensate them for the profound downgrade in lifestyle their families will make if they accept the position and move here accompanied by their immediate families. That is ... unless they choose to live far inland. If they make that choice, then their lives won't be any different than where they moved from (except the worker(s) in the household may have a longer daily commute, in much heavier traffic than they are used to). So, unless the new position in a CA coastal county offers a much better promotional path in their fields, it isn't worth accepting.
As for millenials who are recent college graduates, they can (and most certainly should) accept a job anywhere which allows them to get their foot in the door and get experience in their fields or build upon their current experience. This generation is huge and lining up to share what has now become very limited resources (esp in CA). Beggars can’t be choosers. If they are a Cali Native and are offered their first big break (or big promotional opportunity) at a Big Food conglomerate in Lincoln, NE, they should take it, IMO. They will have time to move back to Cali later, at a time they can better afford to live here (if they still wish to).
