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Millions of crimes are thwarted every year because people use guns in self-defense. Why would we want to prevent people from protecting themselves, especially when killers, rapists, and other violent criminals will not be tamed by taking away guns?
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Millions a year?? Bullshit. Stop with the hyperbole and debate with facts.
Going to use those false analogies about cars and knives? Again, bullshit. You have arms specifically designated in the 2nd amendment, we all know it’s a defined category and gun owners have rights. Argue this appropriately.
As for the 2nd amendment, I want the lawyers here to debate it based on the actual wording. There is a clause stating the right to bear arms but it’s still modified by the “well regulated” militia language in the introduction. That means there should be some regulation (I would like registration and wait period). In fact the NRA from 50 years ago agreed with this proposition. I want any lawyers here to argue whether the 2nd amendment right is truly unfettered.
Gun control doesn’t mean banning guns. I refuse to argue with the current NRA types that use language like police state to argue that no regulation is necessary for firearms. Again, it’s bullshit.
Open carry prevents crimes? Maybe, but it also increases the likelihood of anger related killings. Like the ex-cop who shot the dad for texting in the movie theater. Or the guy who sprayed the SUV of black kids for playing their music too loud. Hard to judge the numbers since Congress won’t let any gun related violence research be conducted.
As for the police state hyperbole. Get back to me after you visit the “police states” like: Korea, Japan, Taiwan, the UK, Canada, Argentina. Then look up the definition of police state and see if it works.
Frankly this kid was in a tough spot. His mom made peanuts in the world they lived in. Dad had declared bankruptcy. He was the poor kid in a world of rich kids, which explained his fixation with money (and how winning the lottery would improve his world).[/quote]
Yes, millions a year. No bullshit. Most incidents where guns are used in self-defense are never reported (I’m one of them). Even the most conservative estimates show tens or hundreds of thousands of crimes thwarted every year by guns. Something from dailykos/Mother Jones for you, lest anyone suggest we are “cherry picking” our sources:
MJ also points out how the gun lobby claims around 2.5 million instances of ‘defensive gun use’ or self-defense using a gun. The comparison to federal crime data from the Department of Justice’s National Crime Victimization Survey, in chart form, is downright ridiculous. The federal crime data from 2007-2011 tallies 338,700 uses of guns in self-defense, but if you believe the gun lobby, that number should be 12,500,000 — more than 36 times as many. Lies, damn lies and statistics, eh?
As a former victim of violent criminals, and also one who supports the Second Amendment because TYRANNY CAN HAPPEN HERE, I fully support the people’s right to own guns. That ownership should not be registered or tracked by the government in any way. Gun registration has NEVER prevented a single crime; the only reason for registration is to ensure the soldiers/police know where to go to confiscate weapons if a tyrant (or tyrants) ever comes into power and they want to prevent a revolution or stop a resistance effort.
