[quote=Blogstar][quote=scaredyclassic][quote=Blogstar]Scaredy, surely what I have been saying on this thread comes across as unkind to you. It just feels hysterical to me. Not high level. Not philosophical at all. I am used to way better from you. Nothing wrong with raw emotion but this is an area that call for cooler heads. There are a lot of crazies out there imagining that every thing that doesn’t go the way they want it is a huge travesty of justice. There are enough dirtbags working these folks already.
Much of the back drop to these conversation is bizarre, riots and looting in Ferguson. Eyewitness lying through the teeth and the media making a big circus out this stuff. Even your thread title looks to be on the crazy train to me. Which sentient human being doesn’t know that cops lie? Just my sensibilities at play I guess.[/quote]
i personally think a good chunk of the nation has for a very long time believed that the overwhelming majority of police officers always tell the whole truth and would only shade the truth possibly to get a bad guy.
I think we need nonstop body cameras on all police officers immediately …[/quote]
Maybe you are right, I find it hard to fathom. I think I have known or suspected that police lie since I was very young , before memory, like 3 or 4 years old. Could be from coming from a hard life. I knew of gangs that were sworn to kill certain cops too.
Still, IF the only people who would be cops are monsters we have to get philosophical. The way I see the pendulum swinging the candidate pool will get worse. How did it get to be that way in the good ole USA? Maybe it is all just part of the “Fall of the Empire”. Dystopia here we come.
I agree with California renter, and not because she has a higher IQ than me. Most people, or most people who are most vocal now, have no idea how vulnerable cops are , how dehumanized they are by criminals who dehumanize old ladies, babies you name it. general hatred from any anti-authoritarian crack pot, threat factor of deadly retaliation to themselves that they live with in big cities or even small violent ones like where I grew up.
Then on top of that , it is extremely hard to make a case against the bad guy, and even if there is one , politics, low budgets, technicalities make it so only a sliver of them even go to the circus. I mean court. How does anyone keep morale …the paycheck and benefits will not do it.[/quote]
Agree with Russ, and not because his IQ is higher than mine, either. 😉 I’ve never thought that cops were 100% honest when giving testimony. My guess would be that most people understand that cops will have to lie occasionally in order to get some really bad guys off the streets…and most of us are probably okay with that.
The difference between one school of thought and the other is that one group is more concerned about the rights of victims, while the other is more concerned about the rights of criminals. It’s doubtful that these two sides will be able to meet in the middle, as they are totally opposed to one another.
Of course, nobody wants to see truly innocent people jailed or beaten, etc. We need to do as much as we can to prevent that. But let’s not pretend that the majority of people who are hauled into court are innocent folks who are picked on by cops because of their skin color, clothing style, etc. Cops are pretty good at what they do, and if they are profiling, there’s usually a very good reason for it.
