zk, [1]you actually stated earlier in this thread that you believe it is essentially okay that you are messy, sloppy, whatever, because you don’t cheat on your spouse, you aren’t a spendthrift and aren’t a rapist or pedophile, none of which has anything to do with being clean or “tidy.” YOU yourself brought up all these attributes to compare with being a “messy person” right here on this thread! [2]Later, above, you’ve stated here that you won’t “tidy up” (pick up after yourself) and, “If somebody will do it for (you), perfect.”
Glad you hear that you (hopefully) found a partner who will constantly pick up after you. Nevermind you can only invite half a dozen people at a time in your (expensive and expansive) back yard, can’t have a small super bowl party without a lot of grief afterwards and don’t travel anymore (due to your marital status?)
To the reader of your posts, it appears that you are clearly paying the price for having a partner who will constantly pick up after you. Whether you are paying a fair price (or not) for that service is in the eye of the beholder.[/quote]
He never said either #1 or #2 (in bold). These are his quotes (taken out of context, but you can go back to look at them in context on page 2).
[quote=zk]
Superior in upbringing? So a tidy person who was taught to be tidy and was sexually abused and is now a rapist or a pedophile is superior in upbringing to a person who grew up in a messy house and was taught to treat people right and is now messy but treats people well? [/quote]
He was clearly not talking about himself here, just stating that a person who is tidy and also a pedophile or rapist is obviously not superior to a messy person who treats people well and is not a predator. In other words, the person’s level of cleanliness is not necessarily an indication of their character, especially as it relates to other people.
[quote=zk]So a person who is messy but faithful to his wife and thrifty is inferior in personal discipline to one who is tidy but cheats on his wife and who can’t control his spending?[/quote]
Here, he is simply restating the point he tried to make before: that a person’s inclination toward tidiness does not prove that he/she is superior to a good person who might also be messy. In other words, you can’t necessarily judge a person’s character by their level of cleanliness.
[quote=zk]Perhaps they insisted on the clean, and the tidy just came along with it. That’s how it was for me. When I travel (I should say travelled, it’s different now that I’m married), I didn’t insist on daily room service. But I preferred it so that I didn’t have to clean. I will clean if I have to (I won’t tidy up, though, generally). I’m messy, but I’m not dirty. I don’t like cleaning, but I do it because I insist on clean. If somebody will do it for me, perfect.[/quote]
Here, it’s clear that he’s referring to traveling and staying on hotels, etc. (see page 2 for full context). He also states that he WILL clean, because he insists on cleanliness; but does not choose to tidy up when traveling.
