Dan: Couple of other things: (1) Militarily, we did win Vietnam. Inarguable fact in that US forces never lost a single major battle in the entire war. Vietnam was lost on the home front, not on the battle field. If you read an objective military history on Vietnam (i.e. NOTHING written by Karnow or Halberstam), you’ll realize that the Viet Cong was destroyed as an effective fighting force during the Tet Offensive of 1968 (a clear cut American victory and one that Walter Cronkite, among other American newsman, cast as an American defeat) and the North Vietnamese Army wasn’t able to mount effective operations in the field until 1972 (nearly four years later).
(2) The US Government is listening to its citizens and on a daily basis. Yes, its wonderful that the warrantless wiretapping issue has been dealt with, but what about listening programs like NSA’s Echelon and Carnivore, or SAIC’s adaptive listening software (which has helped us track down foreign al Qaeda operatives, but has been used domestically as well).
Before you start making accusations as to me stooping to some new low, read what I said and then comment accordingly.
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Re Vietnam:
Like I said, there is a grain of truth in everything you said.
However, there is no sane historian that will describe our victories in southeast Asia as anything but Pyrrhic. Our allies were routed and in the end we left the country to the reds.
We were grist in the mill of a military paradigm shift. Pre-19th century style total war is something we were not ready for there and (as Gorby said) history punishes those who arrive too late.
“Viet Cong” is just a slur of vietnamese communist.
Today, this minute, as we type, ARVN troops live in Mira Mesa and Vietnamese communists live in government mansions in Saigon (which they call Ho Chi Minh City). The PRG did not die at the hands of the US military. It was merged with the North after the fall of Saigon. We left because we failed and our allies were crushed. Badly. Unwillingness to admit this puts you in Cheneyland and in need of thorazine.
Regarding Carnivore and Echelon:
I don’t give a fuck. I suppose that could change, however, if I get an email from the NSA telling me to stop torrenting Transformers or WinXP. However, that would likely mean the end of the program. Which is likely why that generally does not happen.
I don’t like American citizens being arrested for “planning” (read not acting upon) Jihad but I really don’t fret too much about the civil liberties of the guy who is stocking up on weapons and explosives.
Most importantly, we have very specific areas of confidentiality drawn out in this country. It is generally acknowledged that email is not one of those (though phone is). Wiretapping offends me but carnivore does not so much.
Re Nazis:
Yeah, I think that comparing the Obama administration to the Hitler administration is a new low. Sorry dude, it is beneath your usual level of discourse.
