[quote=aldante]
Urban,
I am pretty bad at explaining can I try again?
I think a big part of the tea party movement believes opposite of what you are asserting. [/quote]They aren’t complaining that the government is acting wrongly?
I am pretty sure they are.
[quote=aldante]Since there is not a dogma there are many people in the movement – we all do not protest the same thing. [/quote]In any movement there is diversity of opinion and viewpoint. Solidarity is how movements succeed (Obama) and splintering or bimodalism is how they fail (Gore/Nader). I see your point in that but I think it would be fair to label a few salient aspects of the tea party movement:
1:They feel they are being taxed unfairly (hence the cheesy borrowing from the sons of liberty)
2:They are usually, though not exclusively, critical of current government spending practices
3:They oppose “wealth redistribution” (see 1 and 2).
4:They are disillusioned at the current lineup of of government decision-makers
Is this set of common characteristics inaccurate?
[quote=aldante]People like me did not lose an election – we believe that our country is being lost. [/quote]I get that the government is doing things you don’t like. But how is raising the marginal tax rate to that of the Clinton-era “losing the country”? I mean that just seems like a silly statement.
[quote=aldante] Unfortunately, reading this thread makes me think that is already gone: healthcare a right? the constitution a relic?[/quote] I am not clear how the Constitution is a relic or where that has been stated or implied. I also don’t think there is a strong constituency suggesting that socialized healthcare is a right. Most, like me, just think reform makes better economic sense than using more expensive ER’s as a solution.
[quote=aldante] Then what do we stand for mob rule? Do you realize that after WWII we helped rebuild Europe for $5billion? We gave one company $300 billion and another company $160 billion?
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So your point is that banking systems in 2009 cost more than hiring carpenters in 1945? On this we agree. And we stand for majority rule with minority rights.
[quote=aldante]
WE are being robbed by the governing class who are giving fat paydays to their buddies from the Ivy League. Healthcare is the “cake” that the population “gets as a Christmas gift”.
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An elected governing body who we have the right to check every 1-4 years (depending on which part).
I recommend voting.
Its more effective than rambling.
[quote=aldante]
Who here gives a christmas gift to someone then tells the reciepient they have to pay for it now and the present comes 4 years later???????
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Its a public good and not a gift. I personally don’t think of the congress as Santa but you are entitled to do so.
[quote=aldante]
Declare independence? Why? Its our country. The country is being stolen by a group of oligarchs who view themselves as better then you or I. This is specifically why the Constitution is not only relevant but the document we should look too for hope. That document is worth fighting for.
Revolution? I hope not. Changing the “cake”mentality God I hope so. The state does not have the right to our property. We give our property to the state to justly protect our rights.[/quote]
If you really have the courage of your convictions and if you feel that the president is destroying the country, then for fuck’s sake do something other than rip off a legitimate revolution. Load a truck with explosives or storm the capital or rape Hank Greenberg’s dog or something.
Or you can admit you are just like every other American and vote.
