4spotentialbuyer, I went to 4S several weeks back and find these two builders John Laing and Buie Communities very helpful and willing to listen to potential offers. The sales lady from Buie willing to deal if you purchase one of their existing specs. I didn’t bother to “ink” the contract once I find out the Mello Roos and HOA fee. Too much for cookie cutter homes. If you have chance, go to Buie on top of the hill and look down to a valley, you will see all the homes are bunched up very close. Also pay attention on mid way to the top of the hill and you will see a burn line where the wildfire ends.