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sdrealtor
sdrealtor
18 years ago

Its great to see such
Its great to see such copious posts coming from the good professor. We havent seen this many in a long time.

XBoxBoy
XBoxBoy
18 years ago

Rich,
Thanks for yet another

Rich,

Thanks for yet another great post. At the risk of sounding like I’m never satisfied, I for one would love to see you post on why you think price declines will happen in the upper priced areas, how you see that happening, and good arguments to the spinmeisters that say areas like La Jolla will never go down.

XBoxBoy

rockclimber
rockclimber
18 years ago
Reply to  XBoxBoy

Something that troubles me
Something that troubles me about the last graph is the monthly correlation between NODs and NOTs. NODs should preceed NOTs by 3 to 6 months. Why the blips happening at exactly the same time? There must be a reporting error or something.

Nonetheless, this is minor, but would be interesting to understand.

Sandi Egan
Sandi Egan
18 years ago
Reply to  XBoxBoy

I second XBoxBoy’s motion.

I second XBoxBoy’s motion.

HereWeGo
HereWeGo
18 years ago
Reply to  Sandi Egan

Eventually, the hammered
Eventually, the hammered areas will begin to look attractive to those in the more primo areas looking to capture their equity. When that mindset takes hold, the primo areas will most assuredly fall, as those with a great deal of paper equity have a lot of room to negotiate price.

cr
cr
18 years ago

So at 0.3 sales per default
So at 0.3 sales per default that means for every 3 houses sold, 10 are going into foreclosure?

Couldn’t agree more with the last 3 points. Sub-prime is currently seen as the only cause of this mess by mainstream. Job losses are only picking up steam, and once they realized we’re in a housing induced recession will only worsen the problem. Socialist Sam will not be much help once Alt-AAA, no-doc, and Neg-Am come home for dinner.

I don’t see any reason why prices can’t fall to 2000 levels

robson
robson
18 years ago
Reply to  cr

Coop-remember that currently
Coop-remember that currently 66% of NODs are going into foreclosure, so in 3 months there will “only” be about 6.6 foreclosures for every 3 sold, if these sales figures remain constant.
Also, that ratio is only sfr resales. The actual ratio is 0.55 (3299 NOD/1826 sales). This would make 5.5 sales for 6.6 foreclosures if sales didn’t raise going into spring, which they likely will. The current ratio is at 1826 sales for 1461 foreclosures, about 5 sales for 4 foreclosures. Still extremely ugly.

Bugs
Bugs
18 years ago
Reply to  robson

As I’ve said before, once
As I’ve said before, once the REO resales comprise 30% or so of the total they run the table. Watching two banks compete with each other for the same buyer is the 2008 version of the ad jingle “When lenders compete, you win”.

Everything beyond that is just dogpiling.

ocrenter
ocrenter
18 years ago
Reply to  Bugs

I do think we will see more
I do think we will see more trouble in the higher end markets

Rich, when you say we’ll see more trouble in the higher end, did you mean properties like this?

SD Realtor
SD Realtor
18 years ago

Rich good post. I do agree
Rich good post. I do agree with the spread to the higher end areas however I do believe it will happen in a slower manner then many hope for it to occur. Also as we see from the current for areas such as 4S and Carmel Valley, those higher end properties that do foreclose tend to sell very quickly.

Indeed, until we do get a hiccup in the employment situation the foreclosures will be driven simply by homeowners not being able maintain payments or realizing that they should not pump additional money into a depreciating asset.

Thus it is my opinion that we will see increasing numbers of distress in areas such as these in a methodical manner that should pick up speed in 08 and then into 09 and 10. If we do see abrupt changes in the employment picture and/or the 10 year treasury yield then we could see acceleration that is so desired by many of us.

SD Realtor

an
an
18 years ago
Reply to  SD Realtor

Great post Rich. I love
Great post Rich. I love these graphs. Picture speaks a thousand words.

like SD Realtor mentioned, I think the the big unknown that will affect the speed of decline of the Alt-A type properties is the 10 year T-Bill. The speed it has been moving up the last few weeks is quite frightening.

sdduuuude
sdduuuude
18 years ago
Reply to  an

… or as a professor of
… or as a professor of mine once said:

A word is worth a millipicture.

Anonymous
Anonymous
18 years ago

Hi Rich:
Thanks for the

Hi Rich:

Thanks for the information rich charts, especially the ones that extend over multiple years. Getting a graphical view of many years of price and related data is very informative.

One technical issue: On a logarithmic chart, you cannot have a horizontal axis labeled -zero-, since the log of 0 is infinity. So for example on your “Monthly SD Home sales per default + Existing SFH sales divided by NODs” chart, the bottom axis should be 0.1, not 0.

Thank you very much for the graphs!

Mark V