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August 22, 2007 at 5:19 PM #9985August 22, 2007 at 5:25 PM #79328GoUSCParticipant
I will give a quick two sense (pun intended)…While recessions have gotten shorter if you look at the general way our economy has operated over the past 50 years you see that it has moved into a different paradigm if you will (I hate that word). We have become a country of:
1. Personal Consumption
2. Job market based on Finance & Service
3. Personal Debt
4. Government Debt
5. Net importer of basically everythingI feel that we are coming to a head here and everything has piled up and the whole house of cards is teetering on the brink of one mega-collapse. Maybe a little too much doom & gloom but really…how long can debt driven consumption last without self-imploding? The big worry is that the world is now looking at the US with suspicious eyes and might not be so inclined to fund our debt anymore. If/when that happens in force we are in for a world of hurt.
…and I am taking my EU passport and moving somewhere else…
August 22, 2007 at 5:25 PM #79476GoUSCParticipantI will give a quick two sense (pun intended)…While recessions have gotten shorter if you look at the general way our economy has operated over the past 50 years you see that it has moved into a different paradigm if you will (I hate that word). We have become a country of:
1. Personal Consumption
2. Job market based on Finance & Service
3. Personal Debt
4. Government Debt
5. Net importer of basically everythingI feel that we are coming to a head here and everything has piled up and the whole house of cards is teetering on the brink of one mega-collapse. Maybe a little too much doom & gloom but really…how long can debt driven consumption last without self-imploding? The big worry is that the world is now looking at the US with suspicious eyes and might not be so inclined to fund our debt anymore. If/when that happens in force we are in for a world of hurt.
…and I am taking my EU passport and moving somewhere else…
August 22, 2007 at 5:25 PM #79457GoUSCParticipantI will give a quick two sense (pun intended)…While recessions have gotten shorter if you look at the general way our economy has operated over the past 50 years you see that it has moved into a different paradigm if you will (I hate that word). We have become a country of:
1. Personal Consumption
2. Job market based on Finance & Service
3. Personal Debt
4. Government Debt
5. Net importer of basically everythingI feel that we are coming to a head here and everything has piled up and the whole house of cards is teetering on the brink of one mega-collapse. Maybe a little too much doom & gloom but really…how long can debt driven consumption last without self-imploding? The big worry is that the world is now looking at the US with suspicious eyes and might not be so inclined to fund our debt anymore. If/when that happens in force we are in for a world of hurt.
…and I am taking my EU passport and moving somewhere else…
August 22, 2007 at 5:34 PM #79334ArrayaParticipantVery interesting topic.
The implications of being in the information age during an economic correction and the new rules associated with it.
I can not see how the “standard” correction time would not be shortened. I would assume back during the last housing recession. Many people went out and purchased homes not knowing there was an issue thus prolonging the correction. Unlike today were anybody with the slightest bit of sense probably would do a little research on the internet before buying.
I’m not a financie guy but it makes sense that it would react quicker…
August 22, 2007 at 5:34 PM #79482ArrayaParticipantVery interesting topic.
The implications of being in the information age during an economic correction and the new rules associated with it.
I can not see how the “standard” correction time would not be shortened. I would assume back during the last housing recession. Many people went out and purchased homes not knowing there was an issue thus prolonging the correction. Unlike today were anybody with the slightest bit of sense probably would do a little research on the internet before buying.
I’m not a financie guy but it makes sense that it would react quicker…
August 22, 2007 at 5:34 PM #79462ArrayaParticipantVery interesting topic.
The implications of being in the information age during an economic correction and the new rules associated with it.
I can not see how the “standard” correction time would not be shortened. I would assume back during the last housing recession. Many people went out and purchased homes not knowing there was an issue thus prolonging the correction. Unlike today were anybody with the slightest bit of sense probably would do a little research on the internet before buying.
I’m not a financie guy but it makes sense that it would react quicker…
August 22, 2007 at 5:37 PM #79337eyePodParticipantI might have misread the OP, but there is NO recession right now. What is going on in the stock market I think qualifies as a “correction” in a “bull” market.
August 22, 2007 at 5:37 PM #79485eyePodParticipantI might have misread the OP, but there is NO recession right now. What is going on in the stock market I think qualifies as a “correction” in a “bull” market.
August 22, 2007 at 5:37 PM #79465eyePodParticipantI might have misread the OP, but there is NO recession right now. What is going on in the stock market I think qualifies as a “correction” in a “bull” market.
August 22, 2007 at 5:43 PM #79340SD RealtorParticipantInteresting post Stan… “have a take…don’t suck” tg knows where that one is from…
On the one hand, what has happened in the last few weeks has happened quickly but on the other hand many posters here have been calling for this stuff to happen months and even a year ago. So to them, this is long overdue and cannot happen fast enough. I think that housing (on it’s own) just moves to slow to really force anything quick to happen. Now if there is that catalyst that can really prime the pump, it would be either substantial unemployment and/or a credit crunch that would really be tough. Yes the glimpses of what we had last week were eye openers but IMO we need that to happen and stay sustained and tack on another point or two on the rates. Then yes that could push the market into a chunk down situation. I think that would also serve to polarize the sellers much more then they are now. Sellers who are on the fence about selling would bail out of the market altogether and definitely choose to ride it out. Other sellers with large equity stakes who don’t have to move would do the same. Those that have to sell would do so and lower the asking price very quickly. Additionally the REO prices would come down fast, much faster then they have been in quick manner. Anyways with all that said and even if it did happen, I think the recovery would take awhile. True alot of properties may be snapped up quick by the “haves” while the “have nots” become renters, but I don’t think the market will snap up into an appreciation mode for awhile.
Also there is still the white elephant of the existing ARM Resets and such…
Ya never know though.
SD Realtor
August 22, 2007 at 5:43 PM #79488SD RealtorParticipantInteresting post Stan… “have a take…don’t suck” tg knows where that one is from…
On the one hand, what has happened in the last few weeks has happened quickly but on the other hand many posters here have been calling for this stuff to happen months and even a year ago. So to them, this is long overdue and cannot happen fast enough. I think that housing (on it’s own) just moves to slow to really force anything quick to happen. Now if there is that catalyst that can really prime the pump, it would be either substantial unemployment and/or a credit crunch that would really be tough. Yes the glimpses of what we had last week were eye openers but IMO we need that to happen and stay sustained and tack on another point or two on the rates. Then yes that could push the market into a chunk down situation. I think that would also serve to polarize the sellers much more then they are now. Sellers who are on the fence about selling would bail out of the market altogether and definitely choose to ride it out. Other sellers with large equity stakes who don’t have to move would do the same. Those that have to sell would do so and lower the asking price very quickly. Additionally the REO prices would come down fast, much faster then they have been in quick manner. Anyways with all that said and even if it did happen, I think the recovery would take awhile. True alot of properties may be snapped up quick by the “haves” while the “have nots” become renters, but I don’t think the market will snap up into an appreciation mode for awhile.
Also there is still the white elephant of the existing ARM Resets and such…
Ya never know though.
SD Realtor
August 22, 2007 at 5:43 PM #79468SD RealtorParticipantInteresting post Stan… “have a take…don’t suck” tg knows where that one is from…
On the one hand, what has happened in the last few weeks has happened quickly but on the other hand many posters here have been calling for this stuff to happen months and even a year ago. So to them, this is long overdue and cannot happen fast enough. I think that housing (on it’s own) just moves to slow to really force anything quick to happen. Now if there is that catalyst that can really prime the pump, it would be either substantial unemployment and/or a credit crunch that would really be tough. Yes the glimpses of what we had last week were eye openers but IMO we need that to happen and stay sustained and tack on another point or two on the rates. Then yes that could push the market into a chunk down situation. I think that would also serve to polarize the sellers much more then they are now. Sellers who are on the fence about selling would bail out of the market altogether and definitely choose to ride it out. Other sellers with large equity stakes who don’t have to move would do the same. Those that have to sell would do so and lower the asking price very quickly. Additionally the REO prices would come down fast, much faster then they have been in quick manner. Anyways with all that said and even if it did happen, I think the recovery would take awhile. True alot of properties may be snapped up quick by the “haves” while the “have nots” become renters, but I don’t think the market will snap up into an appreciation mode for awhile.
Also there is still the white elephant of the existing ARM Resets and such…
Ya never know though.
SD Realtor
August 22, 2007 at 5:59 PM #79471BugsParticipantI suppose the national economy could move at a different pace than the local RE markets. But as far as the local RE markets are concerned I don’t think a quick turn around is in the cards.
Pricing is a function of supply vs. demand. Before pricing can stablize we need to clear out our excess inventory, not continue to add to it as we surely will over the next 18 months.
I think the idea that the internet age is going to shorten up our economic cycles is more correctly categorized as a “should be” rather and an “is”. It is based on the premise that if enough buyers are adequately informed they’ll act rationally. Unfortunately, we’ve seen the market participants continuing to act even more irrationally than ever before, information availability notwithstanding.
Ideally, a well informed market acting in a completely rational manner would never disconnect from the underlying fundamentals to begin with. Thus, no peaks or valleys, just a stable and efficient market. I think it’s safe to say we’re a long ways from that at present.
August 22, 2007 at 5:59 PM #79491BugsParticipantI suppose the national economy could move at a different pace than the local RE markets. But as far as the local RE markets are concerned I don’t think a quick turn around is in the cards.
Pricing is a function of supply vs. demand. Before pricing can stablize we need to clear out our excess inventory, not continue to add to it as we surely will over the next 18 months.
I think the idea that the internet age is going to shorten up our economic cycles is more correctly categorized as a “should be” rather and an “is”. It is based on the premise that if enough buyers are adequately informed they’ll act rationally. Unfortunately, we’ve seen the market participants continuing to act even more irrationally than ever before, information availability notwithstanding.
Ideally, a well informed market acting in a completely rational manner would never disconnect from the underlying fundamentals to begin with. Thus, no peaks or valleys, just a stable and efficient market. I think it’s safe to say we’re a long ways from that at present.
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