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May 11, 2007 at 10:45 PM #9064May 11, 2007 at 10:51 PM #52575ocrenterParticipant
check this out there’s already a Maybeck home on the resale market in a flip attempt.
May 12, 2007 at 12:33 AM #52585SD RealtorParticipantIt is all a matter of taste. Some very nice people called me up and I met them over at Maybeck not long ago. They were going to put an offer down and they tried to negotiate with the sales staff but the salespeople were pretty intractable. The home appeared pretty nice inside. Personally I am a big yard type of guy so I am not really into any of the 4s stuff. Again though it is a matter of taste.
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May 12, 2007 at 6:10 AM #525914plexownerParticipantDoesn’t Coronado have some alley homes?
Perhaps you could compare real houses in Coronado to the alley houses there for some insight
IMO, it is curb appeal and the kitchen that sells a home – how can you have curb appeal in an alley?
May 12, 2007 at 7:17 AM #52594anParticipantPersonally, I love houses with big yard, so these alley homes are definitely not my style. They’re no more than a large condo/townhouse in my eyes.
May 12, 2007 at 8:43 AM #52600JJGittesParticipantThat home at the link above is on 4S Pkway, correct? Isn’t that the main drag of the neighborhood? I wonder about taffic. Bressi Ranch has houses like these too. It will be interesting to see what traffic patterns are like in these ‘villages’.
Funny how community planners just hate culdesacs, but regular old folks love them. But then again, if it was up to most city planners, we’d all be in high rises, riding in mass transit, and wearing Mao hats.
May 12, 2007 at 9:16 AM #52602BugsParticipantThere’s a big movement among the architects and planners right now to get away from the “snout houses” that we’ve been building for the last 40 years. The snout being the garage. Apparently the planners are trying to get back to the walking neighborhoods where people sit on their porches and hang out with their neighbors. The snout house supposedly detracts from the walking neighborhoods because the garage and driveway are part of the front “elevation” and people tend to drive directly into their garages and shut the door behind them before they exit their cars.
Landscaping and its demands on the water supply are also a part of it. The whole idea behind “smart growth” planning is to concentrate the residential areas onto smaller lots and include services within the neighborhoods so as to minimize the time people spend driving around and contributing to traffic. The environmentalists hate 20,000 SqFt subdivision lots and 10 minute drives to the nearest elementary school.
These so-called “alley” subdivisions aren’t really any more efficient in terms of land use because the alley cuts into what your rear yard area would normally be. It does prevent people from parking 4 cars on their front lawn, though. It is about the only way you’re going to get the “picket fence” effect in a neighborhood.
The other “good” thing about the alley house design is that it enables a nice front elevation even if the lot is relatively narrow. A 50ft wide lot still enables a house with a 40ft wide front elevation – no garage to spoil the effect of the big house.
May 12, 2007 at 10:09 AM #52607GoUSCParticipantI personally enjoy the alley setup. It makes the front of the house look nice, still allows for a backyard that although quainter it quiet. And it prevents having ugly garages used as “storage” open to the neighborhood.
May 12, 2007 at 11:21 AM #52611PerryChaseParticipantI hate it when people use their garages for storage or living or workshop and not for parking. A garage door should be kept shut when not using it for ingress or egress. The last thing you want to see is shabby unattractive homeowners loitering in their garages with the door open. HOAs should really enforce the closed garage door CC&Rs. Neighborhoods littered with cars are quite ugly.
Yes, the alley homes have nicer front elevations.
May 12, 2007 at 11:45 AM #52614sdrealtorParticipantPC
You sound like a grumpy old bachelor. You wouldnt want to live next to me. I have kids and even though I have a spectacular backyard my kids like to play out front because thats where the other kids are. Our garage door is open and the kids play in it, in the driveway and out in the street. Tons of kids everywhere, just the way we like it!
SDRMay 12, 2007 at 12:44 PM #52616temeculaguyParticipantI am seriously considering an alley home in Temecula (Wolf Creek, Woodside’s Hawthorne). The only issue is that this style isn’t as marketable for resale. I am a unique buyer and I realize that when I go to sell, the majority of the market isn’t looking for what I want, so it complicates the decision. I want over 2000 sq ft, detached, no yard other than enough for a BBQ, maybe a jacuzzi at most, not a blade of grass that I have to deal with, assoc. maintained front yard, 2 car gar minimum, no wood fencing (vinyl or brick). The alley home gives me all that, backyard is gone, small side courtyard is enough, condo like maintenance in a detach that is big enough. Problem is, I may be the only one looking for that and even though I plan to stay in the next house 10+ years, the majority of buyers in a family neighborhood will be shopping for a traditional lot. A divorced guy with teenagers half of the time, living in a bedroom community isn’t that big of a market.
May 12, 2007 at 2:11 PM #52624PerryChaseParticipantsdrealtor, actually, I’m very easy going. I usually don’t bother other than shake my head at what people do. In my brother’s neighborhood there are several activist elderly residents who walk around noting infractions including the size the bushes.
I hate CC&Rs and would rather live on a nice street where people maintain their houses.
But I think that people who live in planned communities with CC&Rs should respect the rules. They knew what they signed up for but are devaluing the character of the neighborhood for everyone else. Would an HOA that make exceptions for open garage doors or storage-instead-of-parking, lead to the slippery slope of allowing purple paint or motor home parking or even the conversion of the garage into living space?
My dad lives on a corner lot and he and his neighbor have some nice trees along the street providing shade. The kids congregate right by his house to play. They sometimes climb on the trees and could fall and hurt themselves on his property. He’s 77 and the kids disturb his afternoon nap. He always complains about the neighborhoods kids. I told him to chop down the trees. The street will look barren but at least he’ll have some quiet.
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New alley homes with common motorcourts could get very noisy with a dozen kids paying and yelling.
May 12, 2007 at 2:19 PM #52625PerryChaseParticipanttemeculaguy, i think that your buying requirements is a trend. More and more buyers don’t want the maintenance of a yard. The trend is to integrate outdoor low maintenance courtyards with the indoor living space. In my view, 10 to 20 years from now, this type of housing will comprise the majority of new SFR building.
May 12, 2007 at 5:20 PM #52632sdrealtorParticipantCmon Perry, you know I’m just ribbing you.
May 14, 2007 at 12:31 AM #52749CardiffBaseballParticipantWe have a driveway more than big enough for the two cars, so the garage is merely extra living space. This is where my power rack and weight set goes. A power rack allows for benching and squatting without spotters.
Also there is a TV out there with a PS2 hooked up for Guitar Hero. Not much room besides all this. There is also a computer with a subwoofer speaking hookup, as well as guitar and amp. My tiny little house is 1030 Sq. foot with two kids, coming from 2400 Sq feet plus a 1200 sq foot basement in Ohio. We got rid of a lot but not everything.
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