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January 16, 2007 at 1:00 AM #8226January 16, 2007 at 7:24 AM #43485privatebankerParticipant
One of the best summaries of the current situation that I’ve read in a long time. Good find!
January 16, 2007 at 9:56 AM #43494LostCatParticipantYeah, good summary. But in all honesty, I hope it doesn’t come to that. If things really get that ugly, I think even the renters of the world will have a problem. The country’s economy as a whole will be crippled. It will be worse than the Great Depression. But then again, maybe the whole American economy needs to go through one so that our jobs can become competitive on a global scale again. Poor China. They’ll really get hit hard if America’s economy folds.
lol
FTW..
January 16, 2007 at 10:31 AM #43498DaisyDukeParticipantPerspective — This housing bubble only occurred in several “hot” markets – California/Florida/Arizona/Nevada. It did not happen nationwide. Homes in other parts of the country appreciated in value at a year over year rate in a much more normal manner — those areas should be fine.
So, while California’s economy is what, 7th largest in the World, and the housing bubble will definitely criple those “hot” cities exposed to the bubble, in my humble opinion, it won’t be devasating on a nationwide scale. That is of course unless more predatory lenders/banks go belly up and the unemployment rate increases all over the country.
This theory is given to you from my last reading on my crystal ball and it’s been cloudy these days — So it’s probably a load of junk. 🙂
January 16, 2007 at 11:31 AM #43503LostCatParticipantI think it spans over a little more space than CA/FL/AZ/NV. I heard the DC, NY, Mass, are getting hit pretty hard to. In fact, Boston has been over priced for a long time. It’s still, to day, more expensive to live in NY, SF, Boston, than it is here in San Diego.
Anyhow, It looks grim, I am just not sure how grim it can really get.. Should we watch out for traffic delays over the Coronado Bridge?
January 16, 2007 at 12:28 PM #43509hipmattParticipantI think that summary was well written, and accurate. I home there is a big correction, as there should be, I don’t wish suffering upon anyone, but many people threw logic out the window on this one, they became emotional, and stupid. They bought with no money down, int. only loans, adj. rates, and then refied to all hell. They bought cars, trucks, toys, even more homes with their equity. They paid absolutely ridiculous prices for their mediocre tract homes. The taxes that they now pay are even more ridiculous. The home they just bought in 05 for $500K, should easily be worth $700k in a year or two, just like the last two years, right?
They did not think logically, they forgot history. They became impatient. They said to hell with saving up money, who saves, when you can take a loan out even for your 20% down? Some were duped by friends, family, even agents, and lenders. They saw at least one person make a small fortune on owning their own home, and did everything in their powers to duplicate them. Only the monthly payment mattered, not the amount owed, but still they now “owned their own home”. They felt sorry for the renters in the community, while the renters wondered, “what’s the difference, between me and them? I pay less per month than they do, and live in a nicer home. How can they own a home, when they owe all or more than what it is worth? With an interest only loan, they don’t even pay down the principle balance, but what do I know? I just rent.”
I don’t think as many of these people will spent a lifetime paying of their bad investment, instead, I believe most in that position will just eventually walk away from their homes. Call me cold, but I won’t feel too bad for them.
January 16, 2007 at 1:05 PM #43504The-ShovelerParticipantNor_LA-Temcu-SD-Guy
Went to that Trump Real estate and wealth Seminar Last weekend in O.C. (hey they gave you a free lunch and a Trump book).
Anyway when the guy who was doing the latest real estate get rich scam was done and now was taking questions up front. He was surrounded by people who all seem to be saying the same thing, ie…
I got one of those interest only mortgages and now I can’t make the payments anymore !!! — What Do I do !!!!
Anyway I thought it was interesting
January 16, 2007 at 1:10 PM #43512PerryChaseParticipantThanks for posting that interesting article mayasako.
I agree with hipmatt. Americans will just walk away from their homes and keep on consuming… That will save the economy but kill housing. Consumers will cut back but not enough to kill consumer spending.
I’ve seen enough broke people spend like crazy to know that Americans view certain things as basic necessities of life — cable TV, Tivo, movies on weekends, a newer car, new clothes, beer, soda, and of course everything that their kids clamour for. They’ll move down housing wise rather than go without.
One example that I could point to is that people would rather go without teeth (dental care) than beer or cigarettes. I’m not too worried about the consumer economy.
January 16, 2007 at 1:11 PM #43513LostCatParticipantWhat was his response to them not being able to pay for thier loan? That’s what I want to know. Trump is smart. He moved his investment to our front living rooms where he can make money until we get sick of him. By that time, he will have bought a ton of property at rock bottom prices, ready for the next up swing..
My advice would be, walk and take the 7 year hit. In 7 years, it will be time to get back in the market. Just make sure you work on your credit score between now and then.
January 16, 2007 at 1:13 PM #43514PerryChaseParticipantTrump recently started his mortgage company. I wonder how that’s going. His CEO lied big time on his resume but Trump kept him.
January 16, 2007 at 1:56 PM #43522smfjParticipantIt’s still, to day, more expensive to live in NY, SF, Boston, than it is here in San Diego.
Of course it is. Salaries are significantly higher as well (SF and NY, at least; I’d imagine Boston as well), so I don’t see that changing any time soon.
Not to say they’re not inflated markets, but comparing major cities to San Diego isn’t exactly comparing apples to apples.
January 16, 2007 at 2:33 PM #43528AnonymousGuestNot all of Trump’s properties are doing well. Specifically his development in Palos Verdes, CA is bombing:
http://la.curbed.com/archives/2006/12/trump_homes_not.php
…..as is his television show The Apprentice. No amount of fueding with Rosie O’Donnell can save that show – or sell his houses.Pete
January 16, 2007 at 2:51 PM #43529no_such_realityParticipantSalary in San Diego CA: $50,000
Comparable salary in New York (Queens) NY: $49,118.63If you move from San Diego CA to New York (Queens) NY…
Groceries will cost: 8.992% more
Housing will cost: 17.505% less
Utilities will cost: 48.43% more
Transportation will cost: 5.509% less
Healthcare will cost: 0.349% lessMaybe you mean Nassau county (Long Island)…
Salary in San Diego CA: $50,000
Comparable salary in Nassau County NY: $51,360.52If you move from San Diego CA to Nassau County NY…
Groceries will cost: 10.192% more
Housing will cost: 6.91% less
Utilities will cost: 48.303% more
Transportation will cost: 0.187% less
Healthcare will cost: 0.732% lessNope that’s not it,
What about suburban New York? White Plains, Bronxville, Middlesex Jersey?
Salary in San Diego CA: $50,000
Comparable salary in Middlesex – Monmouth NJ: $44,855.2If you move from San Diego CA to Middlesex – Monmouth NJ…
Groceries will cost: 2.282% less
Housing will cost: 24.278% less
Utilities will cost: 25.103% more
Transportation will cost: 12.336% less
Healthcare will cost: 9.898% lessNope.
Only looks like downtown Manhatten is more.
Salary in San Diego CA: $50,000
Comparable salary in New York (Manhattan) NY: $73,359.68If you move from San Diego CA to New York (Manhattan) NY…
Groceries will cost: 14.952% more
Housing will cost: 79.763% more
Utilities will cost: 55.652% more
Transportation will cost: 1.904% less
Healthcare will cost: 13.225% moreJanuary 16, 2007 at 2:58 PM #43524The-ShovelerParticipantNor_LA-Temcu-SD-Guy
It was not Trump doing the presentation, Trump just gives his name to these scam-athons where there will be several scam artist pitching different scam ie.. EBay, Tax liens ETC…
The only Trump that was there was his son doing a motovational speaking part (not scaming anyone but the scam artists).
I will not say what he said, Just would not try it myself.
That being said The Ebay, and Tax liens presentations actually sounded plausible.
January 16, 2007 at 3:39 PM #43533sdrealtorParticipantNSR,
I think you are misinterpreting that data as it is likely data for jobs located in those areas not people living in those areas. People on the Northeast corridor regularly commute to NYC from 2 hours away and the incomes tend to be very high for jobs in the City and millions of people comute there to work!SDR
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