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January 10, 2007 at 10:30 PM #8204January 10, 2007 at 10:55 PM #43184anxvarietyParticipant
Maybe the HOA’s landscapes buddies just get a little less slush.. How do HOA’s determine who to contract things(jacuzzi repair, landscape, fencing) out to?
January 11, 2007 at 5:08 AM #43192RottedOakParticipantThe board of the HOA would either make the contracting decisions directly or turn them over to a professional management company. Any financial shortfalls caused by defaults on HOA dues could only be passed on to other owners if the dues were changed or a special assessment passed. That would typically require a vote of the association to approve. So it would depend on the attitudes of the owners in that building. They might prefer pay more to keep all their amenities, or they might prefer to cut back to avoid an increase.
January 11, 2007 at 7:38 AM #43195tugg49ParticipantMay not spread but if there’s a major maintenance issue the “special assessments” can be painful. Our HOA “team” put off doing the roof and a rainstorm flooded a large unit via the drywall ceiling and it cost us a fortune for the deferred roof and repairs to the unit. We were in a small 8-plex and it hurt. Get the financial staement from the HOA and see how “liquid” you are.
January 11, 2007 at 7:39 AM #43196AnonymousGuestLast time I was part of a condo association, the defaulted dues were treated as a lien against the property which has to be resolved in the sale.
Our assoc took a pretty hard stand and sicced the collection agencies pretty quickly on deadbeat owners.
January 11, 2007 at 8:16 AM #43198Chance the GardenerParticipantCG – I think time have changed. Most homes are upside down, many with a second or third mortgage and with tax liens. I can’t imagine that HOA’s have much success getting their’s.
January 11, 2007 at 8:28 AM #43203Cow_tippingParticipantScrew the damn HOA. I am the freaking president of mine, and we are approaching 50% default. We have to raise the dues just so the defaulters get a free ride while the rest of us pay more and more and more …
I’d never buy anything that has any community amenities. Imagine if our dues were 5 times the measly 90 a quarter they are now. I know of communities where that is the case and it sucks. Ours is going down in flames. We have a play ground and a sign and a common area. All of which need to be maintained … yuck.
People need to stop letting builders put houses in HOA’s cos sometimes thay can save by not buying lights and what not, but the people living there pay for it forever.
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Cow_tipping.January 11, 2007 at 8:41 AM #432084runnerParticipant50% default rate on $360 a year??? That is un-f’in-believeable. Start liening with a vengeance.
If you feel comfortable posting it, what is the name of your HOA?
January 11, 2007 at 9:10 AM #43212masayakoParticipantJust to put things in perspective, if NODs jump SO HIGH to the point where HOA becomes a problem, well, my friend, HOA would be the last thing we worry about.
January 11, 2007 at 9:15 AM #43215Chance the GardenerParticipantI’m not sure what you mean. If I can afford to live in the building, and I’m going to live there long term, what affect will rampant NOD’s have on me other than their impact on the HOA and the upkeep of the common areas? If I’m buying the condo to live in for life, all I care is that the condo remain livable and that my monthly costs don’t skyrocket b/c others aren’t pulling their weight. As long as someone is paying the HOA, I’d actually prefer that the building be empty!
January 11, 2007 at 9:19 AM #43217Cow_tippingParticipantAsbury Place HOA, managed by Hawthorne management company. I’m in Charlotte NC.
We managed to get 50% defaults in under 4 years. That is the long standing tradition of alienation … where they’d raise the dues one month and throw a block party next month.
They’d also break every rule in the book first because the boards were a$$holes and now cos they are clue less and have never read the book.
My goal is to have this freaking thing bankrupt by the end of the year. BTW our brilliant Manager forgot to send out fee notices to people … running 2 weeks, damned if I remind her. There goes the next year … or this year. I am hell bent on taking it to pieces and tossing it into the street.
Watch this space … unlike president bush I am not clueless and I definetly am not going to be led by my nose by the rest of the corrupt idiots.
But all of this will do nothing for those of you who live in SD or elsewhere. Vote with your dollars … dont buy anything that has a HOA, and heck dont buy anything that has a community pool or whatever crap. Pitiful, our rinky dink play set area is so messed up … I dont even freaking know why developers put that sheite in there.
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Cow_tipping.January 11, 2007 at 10:14 AM #43223no_such_realityParticipantGet the financial staement from the HOA and see how “liquid” you are.
And look with a cynical eye. I lived in a townhome complex that was 35 duplex structures. Each two stories high and 1300-1500 sf per unit. Essentially 35 large homes.
The complex had $350,000 in roofing reserves and was at 20 years with original shaker roof.
Not only did the HOA blow through the $300K downgrading to an asphalt shingle, but because of unforeseen termite damage (well known in the community), a special assessment of $3500 was due. This is after all bidders got the chance to inspect 3 units.
So, think what a repair is going to cost you in an SFR, multiply by two, and add a factor for incompetence and graft.
Want another one? My current rental last year needed to do terminte tenting. Since the HOA newsletter comes to the house, I know the special assessment for the owners was $3000, luckily it came with a monthly option $94/month for the next four years. Plus, all the owners had to foot themselves off to a hotel for a three day weekend.
January 11, 2007 at 10:25 AM #43228PerryChaseParticipantMy friend lives in an old high-rise building in Chicago. His HOA are about $600/month. The HOA wants a special assessment of something like $5000 per window to replace the old windows. If I remember well he has 9 large windows = $45k!
January 11, 2007 at 10:31 AM #43229Cow_tippingParticipantGuess what … we are at no reserve and we have a crapola shingle roof on the 56 duplexes that are supposed to be replaced. Those are 4 years or so old and I’d probably not anticipate any more than 4 more.
The T/H dues are 90 a month houses are 90 a quarter and they are both really really at 0 reserve. We are supposed to clean their gutters and maintain their lawns and what not, and we are dropping in the red, fast … very very fast.
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Cow_tipping.January 11, 2007 at 11:53 AM #43247AnonymousGuestMy experience was with a condo association in Long Beach, CA. I lived in an 81 unit building for ten years starting in the mid-90’s. I’d bet that 75% of the units were foreclosed on at least once. Downsides to the association included extremely tight finances, lowered reserves, deferred maintenance, etc. Quality of life issues included some really scary tenants moving in, too many people in some units, increasing number of security issues and break-ins as the neighborhood and building suffered, cars broken into in the “secure” underground garage because scary tenants wouldn’t wait for the gate to close – which allowed undesirables to sneak in. Also we had additional maintenance to the pool and pool area restrooms because of misuse/abuse by low-rent tenants and their kids, additional maintenance to building exit doors and related hardware and more frequent maintenance on elevated walkways (replacing the carpeted runners) and elevators due to the increased frequency of move-ins and move-outs.
You may not be worried because you plan on staying there forever, but you’re going to hate it when it starts to resemble Baghdad outside your front door. The HOA needs to be firm in its resolve to keep the quality of life in the building up. If tenants are a problem, start pestering the landlord, fining him for multiple tenant violations until it’s easier for him to just evict the damn tenants and re-rent it. The minute anyone’s late with dues, hire an attorney and start liening, garnishing wages, etc. The squeaky wheel gets the grease and once they realize they’re paying your attorney’s fees on top of their dues and late fees, you’ll become a priority in their payment routine.
Pete
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