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January 6, 2007 at 2:57 PM #8171January 6, 2007 at 3:16 PM #42831TheBreezeParticipant
Wow! That is huge. You know that if massive fraud has occurred in Temecula, that it has occurred in other areas as well. I think the real estate market is going to unravel quickly this year.
January 6, 2007 at 3:34 PM #42832JJGittesParticipantIts hard to know who to feel sorry for in this story. Seems like all parties were greedy and deserve to go down in flames. I guess the real victims might be the regular folks who made the unwitting mistake of buying their (one and only) homes in neighborhoods where this went on and will now see their equity vanish as the repos are dumped by the banks.
I wonder if this went on it places like 4S and San Elijo and maybe the Carmel Valley/ 56 corridor area.
January 6, 2007 at 4:05 PM #42835Steve BeeboParticipantI don’t know how they got loans of 20-25% more than the homes’ value, but some appraisers / mortgage brokers / escrow officers should probably go to jail in addition to losing their licenses, and the lenders must be complete idiots.
January 7, 2007 at 9:28 AM #42879lostkittyParticipantSteve-
Isnt this how they did it?:“An investor would buy two, three or as many as eight houses within days of each other”
I read soemwhere that if the deals were done simultaneously the lenders couldnt see that they were being scammed and couldnt see the multiple properties.
I agree – someone should go to jail.
January 7, 2007 at 9:40 AM #42880BugsParticipantA borrower can’t pull out more money that the property is worth without a crooked appraisal from a crooked appraiser; and no crooked appraisal occurs except at the behest of a crooked loan originator and a stupid/crooked lender.
January 7, 2007 at 9:56 AM #42883salo_tParticipantA friend of mine experienced this. She had her house on the market for three months without an offer but then she got a strange offer out of the blue. An “investment club” offered her full asking price plus an extra 80k on top of that. Only thing was that she would have to return the 80k at close of escrow. So the buyer would pay full price then come out of the deal with 80k in cash. I was trying to figure out how this made sense as an investment and also how they were able to do this in the first place. If maybe it was a group of people established as a corporation than wouldn’t the individuals be free and clear when the crap hit the fan and able to bail with all the extra cash they collected?
Needless to say it wreaked of a scam so she passed on that offer.January 7, 2007 at 10:00 AM #42885PerryChaseParticipantI would’ve taken that offer. What does it matter to your friend? Yes, she has good ethics. 🙂
January 7, 2007 at 10:12 AM #42888barnaby33ParticipantWell Perry, you’re honest and slimy at the same time. I’m not sure which affects me more; your honesty about a willingness to engage in fraud, or your recognition of it as such.
Josh
January 7, 2007 at 10:14 AM #42889salo_tParticipantPC, something about being an accessory to a crime may have helped her shy away from that one. At any rate, a few weeks later some other dummy stepped up and gave her full asking price with a beautiful 100% interest only loan.
January 7, 2007 at 12:31 PM #42895FormerOwnerParticipantThe scale of this is incredible:
$1.2 billion worth of property / average value of $525K per property = 2,286 houses! The city of Murrieta has a population of 92,000. Assuming an average of 3 people per house, thats around 31,000 houses in the city. If 2,286 of them are owned by this investment group, that’s 7% of the total number of houses in the city! Every one of them will probably foreclose or become a short sale. If half of the houses are in Temecula and half in Murrieta that would still be around 3.5% of the housing stock of both cities – just involved in this scam alone.Add to that all of the people who got in over their heads with teaser-rate loans and all of the people over their heads with home equity loans and you’ve got a major meltdown underway. My guess is that the % of houses involved in this scam is dwarfed by the number of houses where people just got in over their heads and will not be able to continue making mortgage payments. What would happen to R/E values if 10%-20% of the houses in Temecula/Murrieta goes into foreclosure? Is this going to be another Texas oil-patch situation where there are thousands of empty houses no one wants?
January 7, 2007 at 1:30 PM #42898Steve BeeboParticipantAccording to this article in the Press-Enterprise,
http://www.pe.com/localnews/inland/stories/PE_News_Local_D_suit06.379821a.html
there are several hundred loans affected. I think the attorney or the reporter misplaced a decimal point when they quoted the figure of $1.2 Billion. Still, even a few hundred more possible REOs could do a lot more damage to the already weak market in that area.
January 7, 2007 at 2:37 PM #42899aguhoParticipantI can tell by some of the players in this scam that we have many Filipinos involved.Attorney Abano is Filipino as are most of his clients,many of the nurses at Rancho Springs Medical Center are Filipino(as are many nurses in hospitals all over SoCal)
As I’ve said before, I believe the ethnic market (Filipino & Hispanic) here in SoCal will take the biggest hit as this current real estate cycle spirals down.Mortgage fraud is rampant in the South Bay, and it’s just a matter of time before we see a similar story in SD County.
Everyone involved with this fraud in Riverside County is guilty in some way or another.There are no innocent victims here.Greed and dreams of “easy money” made these “investors” an easy target for scam artists.
How soon we forget Ed Rubi..Almost all of his victims were Filipino nurses and active/retired Navy personnel.They too, had dreams of “easy money” and let their own greed destroy themselves financially in the process.
Man Who Ran Ponzi Scheme gets 70 Months in Prison
On February 13, 2006, San Diego, CA, Edmundo P. Rubi was sentenced to 70 months in prison for conspiracy to commit mail fraud and money laundering. Rubi previously pleaded guilty to the charge that the conspired to conduct a scheme to defraud investors out of more than $12 million using his companies, Knights Express, Ltd. and Djmler Enterprises, Inc. Rubi was also ordered to pay restitution in the amount of $12,483,000. According to the plea agreement, beginning in 1999 and continuing up to October 31, 2001, Rubi formed and operated Knights Express Ltd. and Djmler Enterprises, Inc. for the purpose of soliciting investments from members of the public. In connection with his guilty plea, Rubi admitted that he made false, fraudulent, and misleading representations that investor funds would be used to purchase and resell Federal Reserve notes in an international trading program. In actuality, no such international trading program existed. Rubi further admitted that he knew that the investors’ funds were not being used for the purported investment program. Millions of dollars of investor funds were used instead to pay the periodic returns that investors received and to make unsecured investments. Rubi also intentionally concealed from investors the fact that millions of dollars of investor funds were converted for his own personal use and benefit.
Repeat after me…. Get Rich Quick Schemes Don’t Work
aguho
88 SNDVLJanuary 7, 2007 at 3:28 PM #42900FormerOwnerParticipantAguho, I completely agree that the ethnic market will take the biggest hit. I’ve watched the demographics in Temecula change a lot over the last couple of years. I wouldn’t really have major concerns about that except that a lot of the new home debtors don’t appear to have jobs that pay anywhere near enough to buy houses at the prices they paid unless they’re using extremely risky loans. They probably barely qualify at the initial teaser rate. Downpayments appear to be a thing of the past and debt/income ratios are going to get really ugly once the loans reset to higher rates. On top of that, you’ve got 1.6%-2% tax rates plus HOA’s! I’ve also heard of a number of cases where people of roughly median income own multiple “investment” properties, all bought near the peak of the market. Yikes! I think a lot of these have nothing to do with the Stonewood scam but the owners are still stuck with huge debt on deflating assets.
January 7, 2007 at 10:25 PM #42921SD RealtorParticipantSteve this makes me think about that Poway listing I posted about awhile back.
SD Realtor
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