[quote=briansd1][quote=Allan from Fallbrook] If anything, the Dems are moving more to the Right (example: the ACA is essentially a redrafted version of the GOP’s mid-1990s plan) and America has been and remains a Center-Right country.
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So which side made more compromises? The left has moved to the right and the right moved further to the right.

On ACA, the Democrats clearly did the best they could for good of country; and Republicans refudiated their own ideas just because they could.

So the Democrats have moved to the right and you call them leftists?

BTW, Allan, the whole world has moved to the right.

[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]
Hence, the idiotic “War on Women” meme that’s being bruited right now. No such thing.
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So explain all the efforts to defund Planned Parenthood accross the country. Are they not real? Republicans are the ones leading those initiatives.

[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]
Focus instead on tax reform, entitlement reform and the coming “crowding effect” both will have on this country if nothing is done.

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I’m glad he didn’t, but Obama was about to give in to Boehner on the budget. But the Tea Party wanted all or nothing.

Life and especially politics are about compromises, not intransigant all or nothing demands.[/quote]

Brian: I don’t call Democrats Leftists unless they are Leftists. Leftists are Leftists, but a fairly large number reside in the reactionary wing of the Democratic Party, just as a fairly large number of the reactionary Right resides in the GOP. In both instances, these reactionary elements are attempting to co-opt their respective parties.

I completely agree with your sentiments about the GOP by the way, and cannot stand the confluence of corrupt party hacks like Boehner rubbing elbows with bright eyed zealots like Cantor. That being said, I equally lament corrupt party hacks like Harry Reid rubbing elbows with bright eyed (and equally corrupt) zealots like Nancy Pelosi.

BOTH parties got us here, Brian, and acting as though somehow the Dems are blameless, while the GOP is completely nefarious is something of a Pollyanna worldview. Our political class has abandoned us and is now serving the monied interests that put them in power. Obama was granted substantial control and a huge amount of political capital upon taking office and by any objective measure, he’s squandered both.

As far as ACA goes: Liberty is the freedom from coercion. This bill was not done for the good of the country, it is “legacy” legislation and, like the stimulus, was a poorly crafted, outsourced to Congress, piece of shit. Yeah, I know you’ll proffer the usual “well, we have to start somewhere” argument, but, dude, in this case it won’t hold water.