[quote=GH][quote=patb]Our county used to have union bus drivers.
A little surly, been there, done that mindset,
but they knew the job and it was a union gig so
they wanted to ride it out for 40 years.[/quote]

I am generally against union excess, but there is a LOT to be said for loyalty on BOTH sides of the fence.

I write software so if I want a raise I generally have to go find a new job, where I can market my new skill at a premium. My previous employer then hires (and trains) a new developer for the job for about what I got on my new one. Makes more sense they would agree to a decent raise, but not the way it works. OK in this economy if you have a decent job you shut up and are happy…[/quote]

Exactly. Normal people, if they hate their boss or want a raise, just go find another job.