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July 16, 2006 at 7:32 PM #6896July 16, 2006 at 11:53 PM #28548CardiffBaseballParticipant
What about the recent news that the growth in the size of the deficit is shrinking? Or I assume that means the deficit is now less than planned.
Of course all it takes is an economy that isn’t smoking, and suddenly the deficits grow quickly, ala Bush years.
July 17, 2006 at 3:39 AM #28551powaysellerParticipantThis is the 4th year in a row that the Bush administration came out with anticipated high budget deficits at the beginning of the year, and then revised them downward in the summer, saying “Our deficit shrank”. Well, if revising your forecast is shrinking… The truth is, compared to last year, the deficit is higher. Word games do not change the fact that the deficit is growing.
This smoke and mirrors game has been covered by some of the more clever newspapers, like the LA Times.
It’s just another gimmick of an administration that works hard to fool us about the true state of the economy. Not picking on Bush – they all do this…
July 17, 2006 at 9:14 AM #28564speedingpulletParticipantYes, I have to admire the logic: “The Deficit this year is XYZ less then projected”.
Which gives everyone the general impression that they’ve done very well…although the Deficit is still twice what it should be 😉
July 17, 2006 at 9:47 AM #28573DanielParticipantFolks, read the paper, it’s pretty good (although perhaps a bit too techical for some).
The title is catchy, but the paper doesn’t really address the issue of current deficits, external creditors, etc. It’s a piece solely focused on the BIG picture of inter-generational accounting. It states that there is no way in hell that US can meet its obligations promised to the older generations under Social Security and Medicare. That’s not a surprise for anybody, I think. AG told Congress something to the effect that “you can pass any laws you want, but you can’t change the laws of mathematics”. Simply put, Social Security and Medicare promises will be cut, one way or another.
Does that constitute “default” and “bankruptcy” for the US? Well, in a strict technical sense, it does, because US can’t meet an obligation it promised to its “creditors” (older generation). But that’s not what most people would consider a default. If Congress passes a law tomorrow cutting Social Security benefits, I don’t think any paper will have “US Declares Bankruptcy!” on the front page.
July 17, 2006 at 1:08 PM #28591powaysellerParticipantYes, a technical paper. The bankruptcy does refer to the inability of the US to pay those creditors which are its own citizens, but does not talk about its ability to pay the interest on treasury bills.
However, since when can you say, “I am not really bankrupt because although I am unable to pay my credit cards and auto loans, I still have enough money to pay my mortgage”. Does that make sense?
If you have to take away promised benefits to seniors, then you can avoid bankruptcy, just as the person in my example above can avoid bankruptcy if the auto dealer and credit card companies are happy to let the debt slide.
This kind of violates the definition of bankruptcy, no?
Also, what will happen to the tens of millions of seniors in poverty, who need the promised SS payments to avoid homelessness, and the promised Medicare benefits to get basic medical care? Will our seniors be cast aside like some useless old tires? Please don’t call me a socialist, but if we are not going to pay these promised benefits, let’s just say so right now, so people can plan their future accordingly.
SS was a great idea when only 5% of people lived to collect it. Now 60% of people live to collect it, and the government is spending it, instead of saving and letting it earn interest.
October 15, 2007 at 2:10 PM #89136bsrsharmaParticipantFirst boomer applies for Social Security
The nation’s first baby boomer applied for Social Security benefits Monday, signaling the start of an expected avalanche of applications from the post World War II generation.
Kathleen Casey-Kirschling, a former teacher from New Jersey, applied for benefits over the Internet at an event attended by Social Security Commissioner Michael Astrue. Casey-Kirschling, who now lives in Maryland, was born one second after midnight on Jan. 1, 1946, making her the first baby boomer — a generation of nearly 80 million born from 1946 to 1964, Astrue said.
Casey-Kirschling will be eligible for benefits after she turns 62 next year.
An estimated 10,000 people a day will become eligible for Social Security benefits over the next two decades, Astrue said.
The Social Security trust fund, if left alone, is projected to go broke in 2041, though Astrue said he hopes Congress will address the issue, perhaps after the 2008 presidential election
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071015/ap_on_go_ot/boomer_social_security
October 15, 2007 at 2:10 PM #89145bsrsharmaParticipantFirst boomer applies for Social Security
The nation’s first baby boomer applied for Social Security benefits Monday, signaling the start of an expected avalanche of applications from the post World War II generation.
Kathleen Casey-Kirschling, a former teacher from New Jersey, applied for benefits over the Internet at an event attended by Social Security Commissioner Michael Astrue. Casey-Kirschling, who now lives in Maryland, was born one second after midnight on Jan. 1, 1946, making her the first baby boomer — a generation of nearly 80 million born from 1946 to 1964, Astrue said.
Casey-Kirschling will be eligible for benefits after she turns 62 next year.
An estimated 10,000 people a day will become eligible for Social Security benefits over the next two decades, Astrue said.
The Social Security trust fund, if left alone, is projected to go broke in 2041, though Astrue said he hopes Congress will address the issue, perhaps after the 2008 presidential election
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071015/ap_on_go_ot/boomer_social_security
October 15, 2007 at 2:54 PM #891464plexownerParticipantthe Boomer effect on the real estate markets will be interesting to watch unfold
many Boomers are counting on the equity in their real estate for retirement
that means:
– sell the house
– refi and cash out
– HELOC or 2nd mtg
– reverse mtgwhat we don’t know is how many Boomers will choose ‘sell the house’ as an option
we also don’t know what state the financial markets will be in – it is possible that options 2 through 4 may not exist when Mr/Miss Boomer needs money to live on
I am expecting a bottom somewhere in the 2011/2012 timeframe but Boomers selling to fund their retirements could keep real estate markets flat for a looooonnnggg time after the bottom
October 15, 2007 at 2:54 PM #891544plexownerParticipantthe Boomer effect on the real estate markets will be interesting to watch unfold
many Boomers are counting on the equity in their real estate for retirement
that means:
– sell the house
– refi and cash out
– HELOC or 2nd mtg
– reverse mtgwhat we don’t know is how many Boomers will choose ‘sell the house’ as an option
we also don’t know what state the financial markets will be in – it is possible that options 2 through 4 may not exist when Mr/Miss Boomer needs money to live on
I am expecting a bottom somewhere in the 2011/2012 timeframe but Boomers selling to fund their retirements could keep real estate markets flat for a looooonnnggg time after the bottom
October 15, 2007 at 3:26 PM #89157bsrsharmaParticipantBoomer effect on the real estate markets will be interesting to watch unfold
Add 401(k), IRA Â withdrawal/cashouts, other asset sales and most importantly, impact on Federal budgets as SS checks are printed out of the non-existent "trust fund". The $ will melt like an icecream cone dropped on a summer sidewalk.
October 15, 2007 at 3:26 PM #89165bsrsharmaParticipantBoomer effect on the real estate markets will be interesting to watch unfold
Add 401(k), IRA Â withdrawal/cashouts, other asset sales and most importantly, impact on Federal budgets as SS checks are printed out of the non-existent "trust fund". The $ will melt like an icecream cone dropped on a summer sidewalk.
October 15, 2007 at 8:43 PM #89224TheBreezeParticipantWe got to start doing something with all these old people. Can we export them to somewhere?
October 15, 2007 at 8:43 PM #89233TheBreezeParticipantWe got to start doing something with all these old people. Can we export them to somewhere?
October 15, 2007 at 9:04 PM #89232bsrsharmaParticipantMexico is an obvious choice. Import young workers and export old folks. Cost of living is less, it is warmer and they can come here for holidays etc., There are many American Colonies in Baja.
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