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May 12, 2006 at 6:41 PM #6595May 12, 2006 at 7:18 PM #252954plexownerParticipant
Let’s back up now!!!
I get the impression from both powayseller’s and rich’s posts that they expect the US Fed to do what is best for the American citizens.
That is a bad assumption and it is, IMO, the root of your frustration, powayseller.
The US Federal Reserve is a private corporation. Its first and foremost duty is to its shareholders which are the member banks of the Federal Reserve system. Each of the member banks is also a private corporation.
Central banks make money via wars and welfare. Read Congressman Ron Paul’s recent missive on gold – he makes this point far more eloquently than I can: http://www.house.gov/paul/congrec/congrec2006/cr042506.htm
Perhaps Ron Paul can provide some answers for you, powayseller.
May 12, 2006 at 10:01 PM #25300powaysellerParticipantI don’t believe the Fed serves the people at all. Who the Fed serves is beyond me. If they served banks, why did they set them up for the upcoming mortgage default crisis? I think they try to keep the economy strong, or at least generate the perception it is strong. They don’t care who gets hurt in the process.
May 12, 2006 at 10:08 PM #25301powaysellerParticipantI’m frustrated with the lack of response to posts like this. A thread about listings are worthless to a realtor gets 74 responses, the 50 year mortgage gets 20, and this gets 2. Opinions are welcome too, but I’m really looking for an understanding of what drives the Fed, on what basis they make their decisions. It sounds like no one really knows.
I disagree about your assessment re. gas and spending. Spending is way down. I’ve talked to people who have spoken w/ manager at Poway Starbucks and Poway’s Home Depot employees. Both report business is way down lately, and attribute it to rising gas prices. The trade deficit was narrowed the last 2 months, and if it is the beginning of a trend, can be due to people consuming less. You will see the reduced spending in the retail and restaurant numbers of May, which won’t be released until June or July? I also noticed people don’t fill up at the pump. Check the pump displays next time you fill up. A Suburban for $40, two sedans at $10 and $15. A woman who told me she only gets $20 each time because it’s too long between pay periods and her husband is thinking of rising his bike to work. A bartender who only puts in $25 because she refuses to pay more than that, so she just goes to the gas station more frequently.
The consumer is running out of steam. I wonder why you say they have kept up the spending? What are you seeing this month? Let’s remember any data out there is dated.
May 12, 2006 at 10:19 PM #25302Jim BrubakerParticipantBasically in 1929 the Fed did nothing and the market crashed. What the Fed is trying to do is raise the interest rate for money that is to be borrowed. So far this hasn’t been working too well, 16 raises and only 3/4 of a point on home loan interest rates. It kind of looks like they are pushing on a string. 16 raises would be an increase of 4%, didn’t happen did it.
There is an invisible problem here. The BOJ (bank of japan) is only paying about .025% interest. So every astute banker in Japan is buying our T-Bills.
I wonder why!May 12, 2006 at 10:33 PM #25303powaysellerParticipantSo the conondrum really is the global demand for our debt, which pays a higher rate than European or Asian debt. More demand raises the price, lowering the yield.
This trend will be reversed somewhat as Japan pulls out $200 billion of our debt between March and June 30, 2006. We should see rates rise a little bit. Unless of course the US has some offshore accounts which step in to buy Treasuries. Isn’t anything possible?
(Kind of like that whistleblower from the Transportation Agency who exposed the lax security still existing in airports…the gov’t is kind of too lazy to fix anything. Did you know they still don’t screen cargo luggage, and the terrorists are still highly interested in US aviation? After Irwin published several internal reports bringing this to the government’s attentino, Bush called Irwin (sp?) into his office and said he needed his loyalty. Irwin refused to tear up his reports and told Bush he works to protect the people, as should Bush. Irwin’s contract was not renewed, and he wrote a whistleblower book. This is typical of government. They want to look good, but not do what is best for the people. I can’t find the book , but saw the interview on cnn.com)
May 12, 2006 at 11:35 PM #25305bubble_contagionParticipantThe Wall Street Journal Guide to Undestanding Money and Investing, $16 at your local bookstore, explains how the federal reserve system works, the money supply, the CPI, forex, stocks, bonds, mutual funds, options, futures and many other subjects that may help you make sense of it all. Highly recommended.
May 13, 2006 at 7:08 AM #25307powaysellerParticipantThe recent spike in gasoline prices seems correlated with reduced spending. Walmart said their shopper is gas-price sensitive, and they make fewer trips to the store, and thus fewer impulse purchases and sales are down a bit. Starbucks is taking a hit attributed, by them, to higher gas prices. I read the high end fast food shopper will downgrade to McDonalds, while the McDonalds customer will stop eating out.
I get your point Rich, and I wonder why people are reacting stronger to this recent rise. Perhaps the magnitude is too large, for people already living on the edge. 75% of Americans say the high price of gas is a hardship. Perhaps the size of the latest jump is psychologically difficult.
Are people avoiding Starbucks bec. they are stretched too thin with this latest jump, or because they’re darn sure not going to spend money on overpriced coffee when gas costs so much? (Actual hardship or psychological)
I expect to see a drop in spending due to MEW slowing, but this would be gradual. This quick impact is due to gas going over $70/barrel.
Pretty soon, the high commodity prices will shop up in more expensive goods. Carpets, food, everything made with oil and transported will be more expensive in a few months. So the higher price will slow consumer spending. Why do we need higher interest rates to curb demand? High oil, in and of itself, is doing the job rather quickly. Higher commodity prices will show up in products make with copper, lead, platinum.
May 13, 2006 at 8:22 AM #25309AnonymousGuestI posted on Friday a chart of the 30 yr bond on my blog that I know a few of you have seen. All of these discussions about the fed and inflation can be seen graphically in what is actually happening in the marketplace. There are a few things developing that could indicate a low in price ( high in yield ), setting up. The one critical component missing is Gold is out of line for a big rally so far.
We are at a very important inflection point with the 10 and 30 yr contracts right here. Rates have stayed low due to foreign buying ( the carry trade ) and hedge fund buying. Further, mortgage companies have narrowed their margins quite a bit to compete, also keeping rates lower.
I have been of the belief that inflation is much more prominent than these insulting govt reports tell us. Well let’s see, if we take everything out of the report that is inflating ( the ex food and energy comments ), then what is left shows low inflation.
I do not believe the fed is near done yet, unless we get a massive stock selloff, or commodities selloff. That goofy Michigan Sentiment report ( which most traders make fun of ) showed an alarming drop in it’s recent release.
Even though that report is a joke, maybe it is the beginning of people on a national level pulling spending back.
May 13, 2006 at 8:38 AM #25311AnonymousGuestWhy is the Federal Reserve raising interest rates to curb demand, which will then control inflation, when the high cost of gas and goods/services is already curbing spending?
Cost of gas and goods and services is a result of inflation, and not the cause. Inflation with years of low interest rates have already happened. The effective money supply has already grown. What the fed is trying to do now
is make sure that this excess money supply does not cause MASSIVE inflation.
Inflation running at reasonable numbers with them being a bit higher than the Treasury bond rate is a good thing. It means that the 8 trillion dollar debt will shrink, and that the holders of that debt are in effect losing a percent or two.May 13, 2006 at 8:44 AM #25312lostkittyParticipantI am doing the same as your bartender example, I just wont put in any more than $30 even though my vehicle holds much more. I find that I actually do not fill up more often, but rather watch the gas level closely, and make decisions to pair up errands with other trips to get things in one area done all at once. Even if it means that the library book is one day overdue -a .10cent fine, I wait until i am doing something else nearby.
I think it is all psychlogical. I think people are already frustrated by the insidious rise in the price of EVERYTHING the past few years not in sync with normal inflation… first healthcare, then water, then gas & electric, next mortgages…now gasoline… The increases have been quite shocking…
Sometimes it takes awhile to feel it when you are getting screwed from so many different angles (while the corporations/CEO’s CFO’s, continue to post record profits/incomes – except the airlines – but that’s another story we have suffered through personally – nightmare is a better word for it…).
May 13, 2006 at 11:35 AM #25318sdrealtorParticipantInteresting because I have been doing the opposite and it has worked to my benefit. I keep my tank full because prices keep going up. I can buy gas cheaper today than tommorrow. When it starts going down I will have overpaid on my last fill up while saving on my last dozen or so fill-ups. Sounds like you are being pennywise and poundfoolish.
May 13, 2006 at 1:30 PM #25322lostkittyParticipantActually, for me, my way has worked to my benefit since the low level reminds me to make decisions based on amount of gas necessary. I dont have to drive much – and do not ever get stuck in traffic like you do in SDiego. I’ve actually been spending a lot less money per month on gas since I’ve instituted this method – even as prices have sky-rocketed. I am much less wasteful. You do it your way, I’ll do it mine.
May 13, 2006 at 4:11 PM #25323powaysellerParticipantHow can our inflation cause higher gas prices on the global futures market?
May 13, 2006 at 4:43 PM #25325AnonymousGuestMore dollars chasing almost the same amount of oil. Growing demand means people will pay more for the same goods. Most markets bubble up so it wont be a one to one link, but over the long run I believe the concept is true. As an extreme hypothetically imagine what would happen to prices of limited supply goods such as oil if everyone on the globe was to have his bank account double. As to why it is global, my best guess is that the dollar is the reserve currency and is still the currency of the world.
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