It’s different for me Gandalf. I am entitled to lecture because I am actually somewhat sincerely participating with you all,for better or for worse.I think you are too.

Not requesting that anyone really be overly polite or accommodating if they are actually engaged.

I think the most to hope from these off topic posts is a little entertainment and perhaps some intellectual enrichment or even personal growth, for those so inclined.

One can teach and influence a very few adults, a very small percentage of the time and although, I blow it all the time, patience and restraint with a modicum of good humour, if not politeness are usually in the mix when it is successful.So is a willing student(and he is not down in that ditch).

I think ZK just set a good example.Although John could probably care less, ZK’s demeanor made his message not go unheard by some of the rest of us. I know Allan is a conservative Republican and I am not, so it had ecumenical value.