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April 3, 2019 at 10:24 PM #22683April 3, 2019 at 10:57 PM #812226CoronitaParticipant
Not that do this but from #4, …If I am reading this correct, if you run an AirBnb/Vrno business, income taxed at a cap of 20% under QBI ????
In general, I think the IRS recently released a safe harbor for real estate enterprise
Does Your Rental Real Estate Qualify for the 20% QBI Deduction?
April 3, 2019 at 11:06 PM #812227MyriadParticipantI think if you know the rules in detail for QBI, you could probably start your own tax practice.
I thought the tax reform was supposed to simply taxes…Back to the question, this website has really good info on various tax topics.
The IRS issued this
https://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-drop/n-19-07.pdfApril 4, 2019 at 8:06 AM #812230CoronitaParticipantBased on the QBI REEE safe harbor rules I think I could elect to treat my rental income as QBI.
But are any of you planning to do this that already ran it by a CPA/accountant? I have some basic questions on how you would go about doing this.
Dumb questions are…
1. Do the properties need to be in any sort of holding entity like a LLC, scorp, etc ..or can they simply be held in your name or your trust’s name.
2. my preliminary understanding is you can treat all your property as one REEE or each property separately as REEE.
3. For a property that has a net loss after depreciation deductions, is it better to exclude this property as an REEE or include it? Which has a better tax outcome.
4. For a property not specified as a REEE for QBI this year, can I simply add it the following year assuming I meet the safe harbor rules for all my properties….
5.What are the rules for removing a propoerty from your REEE to have them not considered under QBI in years after….is it allowed.
April 4, 2019 at 1:56 PM #812231spdrunParticipantWouldn’t you have to claim the properties on Schedule C and pay self-employment tax to qualify as QBI?
April 4, 2019 at 5:02 PM #812232FlyerInHiGuestSocial Security/self employment tax is capped at $132k.
April 5, 2019 at 8:24 AM #812234henrysdParticipantThe bar for treating rental income as QBI seems to be quite high for those with regular job not in real estate fields. I got this from TurboTax site:
https://ttlc.intuit.com/questions/4557531-can-i-get-the-qbi-deduction-on-rental-income[quote]Generally, this means each rental real estate enterprise (a rental property or group of similar rental properties, including K-1 rental income) must satisfy these requirements:
1. Each enterprise has its own books and records to track income and expenses;
2. At least 250 hours of rental services are performed per year per enterprise; and
3. (Starting with tax year 2019) Contemporaneous records of services performed are kept which includes who performed the service, description of service, the date of the service, and how long it took (who, what, when, and how long).[/quote]April 5, 2019 at 10:15 AM #812235CoronitaParticipant[quote=henrysd]The bar for treating rental income as QBI seems to be quite high for those with regular job not in real estate fields. I got this from TurboTax site:
https://ttlc.intuit.com/questions/4557531-can-i-get-the-qbi-deduction-on-rental-income[quote]Generally, this means each rental real estate enterprise (a rental property or group of similar rental properties, including K-1 rental income) must satisfy these requirements:
1. Each enterprise has its own books and records to track income and expenses;
2. At least 250 hours of rental services are performed per year per enterprise; and
3. (Starting with tax year 2019) Contemporaneous records of services performed are kept which includes who performed the service, description of service, the date of the service, and how long it took (who, what, when, and how long).[/quote][/quote]I don’t think these bars are high at all. They are certainly lower than the bars set to claim you are a real estate professional that allows you to pass through your rental income losses completely to offset income from other sources… That , the IRS stipulates you must spend at least more than 50% of your time to managing your real estate plus other stringent tests.
The bulk of QBI seems to be documenting you actually spent more than 250 hours with handling your real estate. That’s roughly 12% of a normal person’s 40hr/week job.
One might not spend 250 hours on one property, but I am fairly confident that I spent well more than that across all my properties..
For each property, you should already be tracking expenses anyway, and for tax purposes , you should be tracking mileage and time spent dealing with all sorts of things…. I think the only thing is how do you define your REEE? Do you define a seperate REEE for each property, all properties, or some combination there of?
Also, there doesn’t appear to be any requirement that you need to hold the property in specific entities like an scorp, ccorp, LLC, at least not from what I read so far….
April 7, 2019 at 5:50 PM #8122384scommonParticipantHello,
I have a rental property that I manage i.e. I find tenants, I sign the lease. Its typically an yearly lease, I take care of or employ handyman to attend to maintenance issues or repair needs etc. My tenants call/txt me all the times for any issues, so I do spend time attending to those as well as any repair visits. I don’t have documentations to prove each of them or quantify the time spent. .Do I meet the safe harbor rule of 199-A? Per the IRS pub, even if one doesn’t fit into 199-A safe harbor rule, he or she can still declare the rental as business as long as burden of proof is met.
Can I claim the QBI deduction? This is the first time turbo Tax questionnaire promoted me to claim QBI deduction.
Pl advise.
April 8, 2019 at 11:09 AM #812240MyriadParticipantRental services for purpose of this revenue procedure include: (i) advertising to rent or lease the real estate; (ii) negotiating and executing leases; (iii) verifying information contained in prospective tenant applications; (iv) collection of rent; (v) daily operation, maintenance, and repair of the property; (vi)
management of the real estate; (vii) purchase of materials; and (viii) supervision of employees and independent contractors.
Rental services may be performed by owners or by employees, agents, and/or independent contractors of the owners. The term rental services does not include financial or investment management activities, such as arranging financing; procuring property; studying and reviewing financial statements or reports on operations; planning, managing, or constructing long-term capital improvements; or hours spent traveling to and from the real estate.You should start documenting the hours spent. For 2018, you can estimate and claim ignorance. The probability is that the IRS isn’t going to audit this for 99.9% of rental property owners. The worst thing that can happen is that you pay back the QBI reduction.
April 8, 2019 at 5:19 PM #812241CoronitaParticipantI am on vacation skiing before the season ends. Unfortunately, this means I won’t be doing my taxes on time. Looks like October extension for me. I think what I’ll do is before October, I’ll file as I normally do, and then I’ll file an amendment with QBI later, after I talk to an accountant.
From what I can tell, the homes don’t need to be held in any specific entity, like a corp, LLC, etc… Can someone confirm this from a CPA? If not, I’ll ask when I go in…
There’s a couple of other questions I wanted clarification on related to the new tax law changes…. For one, I’m.sitting with a lot capital gains in a 529k account that I want to take distributions now for my nieces and nephews attending k-12 private school, and wanted to confirm one more time I can gift that tuition to them and their parents gift my kid back below the estate tax threshold.oh, and for the first time in a long time, I don’t owe taxes, I think I get a refund. I don’t know what changed…. maybe my taxes went down this year…..weird
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