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November 20, 2016 at 8:13 AM #22203November 20, 2016 at 8:34 AM #803861
bearishgurl
ParticipantLOL . . . if they ARE true, then US automakers and SV magnates (who wasted a fortune on the Clinton campaign :=D) are falling behind Trump’s nativist and populist agenda and he hasn’t even been inaugurated yet :=]
As it should be. Apple’s profit is way too high on iphones as it stands. Let them employ the country who is BUYING most of their phones and made it possible for them to start their company and flourish!
Nice to hear from you, birmingplumb . . . and thanks for posting.
November 20, 2016 at 8:35 AM #803862Anonymous
GuestAbout 61 million Americans believe it without question.
November 20, 2016 at 9:05 AM #803863
CoronitaParticipantSome people need to learn how to read…
In short, ford was never going to close any plants. There were just moving the lower cost/lower margin focus and c-max production to mexico so they could use the existing factories to build the higher demand and higher margin upcoming SUVs that americans tend to buy more anyway. Unlike the other two disasters of american car companies (one being now partly italian), Ford actually has the opposite problem of almost not having capacity to meet demand of its truck and SUVs, which have been selling like hotcakes. And Ford is bringing back the Ford Bronco and Ranger next year to the U.S. to try to meet demand for this country’s demand for trucks and SUVs. Ford is doing well, because Ford got their head out of their asses years ago, cut down on spending, sold brands they couldn’t run well (Jaguar, Land Rover, part of Mazda), so it could re-focus on it’s core business. And it invested heavily in technology, some of it borrowed from Ford India.
It was one of the first domestic companies to start pushing for turbo charged engines to meet CAFE standards, and it was the first company to start to use aluminium in it’s bread butter F150 truck, which had incredible weight savings and fuel economy without sacrificing to much in HP/torque. Ford is succeeding simply because they have good products, and demand is there.All this is. Is just lip service to what Ford was already planning to do, because Ford had no plans to eliminate those factories to begin with, they were just making space for more capacity for higher margin products. You can’t make money on a low cost sub-compact ford focus. Whereas you can make a shitload of money on a $30k+ SUV/truck. and given how low gas prices are, more americans are buying those big trucks/SUVs again.
But hey, don’t let facts get in the way of ignorance.. Sure hasn’t stopped some of you before, lol.
As far as some of you other that think about Apple’s demise is good.. Fine, let’s say apple goes under. That’s great. There’s always samsung,LG, HTC, and huawei. I’m sure they would be thrilled they have one less competitor to deal with, especially apple.
I would say, we could consider another U.S. cell phone company could replace them. Something like Motorola, but they are part of Lenovo…God, some of you folks are brilliant. Even if an american company is 50% produced here in America, you still would rather see it fail and employ 0% in america, versus 50%.Lol…
http://www.autoblog.com/2016/11/18/donald-trump-bill-ford-lincoln-mexico/Trump did talk to Bill Ford, but the Kentucky plant was never moving to Mexico.
During his campaign, Trump claimed that Ford was going to fire US workers and move manufacturing to Mexico. That wasn’t the case – yes, Ford planned to transfer Focus and C-Max production from Wayne, Michigan, to Cuautitlan, Mexico, but no, that wouldn’t mean anyone losing their job. The Wayne plant will continue to operate, and likely busier than before, as it will be the home of the new Bronco and Ranger. So Ford CEO Mark Fields responded with the facts, and then chairman Bill Ford Jr. sat down with Trump over the summer. Things apparently weren’t resolved to Trump’s satisfaction, so he and Bill Ford spoke on the phone yesterday as he claims in this tweet:
We continue to engage with President-elect Trump’s team – and the new Congress – as they shape the policy agenda for 2017. We have shared our commitment to continue investing in the U.S. and creating American jobs – building on the $12 billion we have invested in our U.S. plants and the nearly 28,000 U.S. jobs Ford has created in the past five years. Ford continues to employ more American autoworkers and produce more American made vehicles than anyone.
Today, we confirmed with the President-elect that our small Lincoln utility vehicle made at the Louisville Assembly Plant will stay in Kentucky. We are encouraged that President-elect Trump and the new Congress will pursue policies that will improve U.S. competitiveness and make it possible to keep production of this vehicle here in the United States.
We will have more details to share on our future plans at the appropriate time.
November 20, 2016 at 9:08 AM #803864scaredyclassic
Participantits important to control the narrative.
i declare victory.
November 20, 2016 at 9:20 AM #803865CoronitaParticipantMost people will believe what they want to believe, even if it doesn’t make sense.
No critical thinking process required.
But hey, keep driving those made in Japan lexus es while tooting that bring american jobs mantra back. Lol.
I heard you can get a pretty good lease deal on a new Ford suv if you trade in a lexus. How about putting your money where your month is???
LolNovember 20, 2016 at 9:39 AM #803866spdrun
ParticipantRegarding trucks/SUVs vs cars problem is that the average American auto buyer is an image-conscious idiot that need some sense slapped into them.
If I wanted to drive a fucking truck, I’d go work for UPS — don’t know how people can stand driving the pieces of shit if they don’t need them for work.
November 20, 2016 at 9:56 AM #803867CoronitaParticipant[quote=spdrun]Regarding trucks/SUVs vs cars problem is that the average American auto buyer is an image-conscious idiot that need some sense slapped into them.
If I wanted to drive a fucking truck, I’d go work for UPS — don’t know how people can stand driving the pieces of shit if they don’t need them for work.[/quote]
That’s your opinion. I’m just stating the facts. The demand for truck/suv is there. Ford is doing well because they are building products people want, and meeting/exceeding the most stringent CAFE standards, and have come up with a lot of ingenuity getting there. And because of that, they need more capacity to build higher margin vehicles. Trump had nothing to do with it.
If apple can pull off manufacturing in the U.S. and still be profitable, well kudos to them. Motorola tried that a few years ago. They failed miserably, and ended shutting down the factory in texas after spending billions and not able to produce one phone.
November 20, 2016 at 9:56 AM #803868ParticipantFord = found on road dead.
A good Ford truck is a dead one…
November 20, 2016 at 10:00 AM #803869CoronitaParticipant[quote=spdrun]Ford = found on road dead.
A good Ford truck is a dead one…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3sQYQOc2mLM%5B/quote%5DFord’s actually pretty reliable these days. In a lot of ways, more reliable than Honda, which has nosedived recently in terms of reliably. I wouldn’t mind getting a 2018 Ford Raptor to tow around a dedicated track miata, if I had room for a 5th car.
The other tidbit is Jaguar is actually much more reliable under Indian Management Tata Motors
And Volvo’s latest products are looking pretty good under Chinese ownership
November 20, 2016 at 10:14 AM #803870ParticipantAt least you can still get an Accord or Civic with a real transmission, not a 2-pedal automatic designed for idiots. Can’t get a Fusion with a real tranny, though you might still be able to get a Focus.
Besides: driving a “foreign” (even if US assembled) car sends a message that you don’t care about Trump’s demographic. Autoworkers got enough of a bailout in 2008 without your helping them.
November 20, 2016 at 10:30 AM #803871CoronitaParticipant[quote=spdrun]At least you can still get an Accord or Civic with a real transmission, not a 2-pedal automatic designed for idiots. Can’t get a Fusion with a real tranny, though you might still be able to get a Focus.
Besides: driving a “foreign” (even if US assembled) car sends a message that you don’t care about Trump’s demographic. Autoworkers got enough of a bailout in 2008 without your helping them.[/quote]
We are going off topic here. But… Dual clutch on race applications produce the best times. You can’t beat a computer. Even F1 has only two pedals now. I’m fine with them. Whichever produces a faster time.
If you insist, mustangs still come with 3pedals. Now with IRS. They just need to cut down on the weight a bit. Get it down to about 3350lbs.
November 20, 2016 at 10:49 AM #803872ParticipantBah. Screw the computers.
One less HAL-9000 between me and the road is better than one more. It’s not about speed, it’s about enjoyment of driving, not getting the best drag times.
Personally, I’d rather have a Miata than a Mustang.
(1) Light, not an overweight barge. 2300 lb is better than 3500+ lb.
(2) Not made in USA, so its manufacture is not paying the salaries of “flyoverian deplorables.”November 21, 2016 at 6:27 AM #803887CoronitaParticipanthttp://finance.yahoo.com/news/sneakers-show-limits-trade-policy-130956201.html
For those that actually want to understand the issues… Again, robotics/automation. Those manufacturing jobs aren’t coming back.
And if you folks really care about american manufacturing, again you would put your money where your mouth is, and spend $150-200/pair for Made in USA new balance sneakers, the only company that still makes 1/4 of its shoes here in the US. But I’m guessing, despite the rhetoric, many of you don’t, do you?
Well, here’s the website.
http://www.newbalance.com/made-in-us-and-uk
Put your money where your mouth is. I can personally tell you the sneakers are great, at $150-200/pair… Plus right now, you get 15% off and free shipping.
TAKING THE OTHER SIDE OF THE TRADENew Balance, based in Boston, makes only about a quarter of the shoes it sells in the U.S. at its five New England factories, and figures that costs 25 percent to 35 percent more than it would to make them in Asia.
The private company, owned by former marathoner Jim David and his wife Ann, says it makes up for that cost disadvantage in part by producing higher-end and customized shoes in those U.S. plants. If the company were publicly traded, it would likely face pressure from shareholders to move all its production abroad.
Beaverton, Oregon-based Nike imports nearly all its shoes, and fought for the Trans Pacific Partnership, a trade deal that became a lightning rod in the recent presidential campaign. Nike said last year that it would create 10,000 manufacturing and engineering jobs in the U.S. if the deal were adopted. Nike has clarified that those jobs would largely be aimed at creating more automated factories, not old-style production that would employ thousands of assemblers.
New Balance fought the TPP, arguing that it would jeopardize its U.S. plants by giving competitors like Nike more profits they could pour into developing new machines, products and advertising.
TURNING TO ROBOTS, NOT PEOPLE
Beyond the furor, shoemakers are experimenting with ways to take human labor out of manufacturing their goods, wherever they are made.
Reebok, the Canton, Massachusetts-based shoe company now owned by Germany’s Adidas AG, is building a laboratory in Rhode Island to refine a process to make shoes with liquid plastic.
“We’re looking at the entire process of shoe making from end to end with a clean sheet,” says Bill McInnis, who heads up the program to develop the company’s manufacturing process.
November 21, 2016 at 7:06 AM #803888Participantrunning shoes cause injuries. its just a perfect example of how all this economic activity actually makes us and the world worse. ugh. padded running shoes. the worst. plus the mfr claims they “wear out” in 6 mos or so. huge piles of garbage when made, when used and 180 days later.
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